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Old 04-07-2011, 07:30 AM   #31
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Rocky not being quite as fast as Dempsey would take a little longer to get into his stride. Get into his stride he would though,and knock Willard out by the middle portion of the bout.



Not quite as fast is an understatement. He had neither his general movement speed or his handspeed. I take Rock over the full course prime for prime.
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Old 04-07-2011, 11:39 AM   #32
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Too many people judge Willard on the Dempsey fight. Willard looks better vs. Moran, and has no trouble landing more, and controlling the action in this fight. I wonder how many here have seen that one. I'd go with Marciano via attrition / accumulation of total punches here. Interesting match.
Willard looked "better" against Moran mostly because Moran was nowhere near as good as Dempsey.
Dempsey didn't really give Willard a chance to show anything.

Willard was unimpressive against Moran too, and horribly out of shape. He was 259 or 260 pounds for the Moran fight, I think. Fat.
He managed to get to 245 for Dempsey.
He was 237 against Johnson, I think.

The best Willard BY FAR on film is against Jack Johnson.
Willard was a decent boxer for such a big guy, he used his reach pretty well and had a good uppercut. But he wasn't too good against Moran, in all fairness. John L. Sullivan even said he thought Moran would have won a decision, and strongly criticized Willard and Moran for being in bad condition.
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