Who is the Best Fighter to ever appear as a contestant on TUF? - Page 2

sugarngold · 03-07-2011, 12:17 PM

Matt Serra seems to hold the best post-TUF career moment in his win over GSP.

codeman99998 · 03-07-2011, 12:50 PM

It's gotta be Griffin. He went on to beat Shogun, earn a title fight, and beat Rampage. Serra was given his shot for winning tough, he didn't really earn it after tough, and has less quality wins than Griffin after the show.

WATERBOY · 03-07-2011, 12:56 PM

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perhaps mitrione in the future

No the guy is technically shit! Just big with power and fighting average at best fighters!

sugarngold · 03-07-2011, 12:57 PM

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It's gotta be Griffin. He went on to beat Shogun, earn a title fight, and beat Rampage. Serra was given his shot for winning tough, he didn't really earn it after tough, and has less quality wins than Griffin after the show.

GSP was considered top 3 P4P at the time.

Popkins · 03-07-2011, 01:24 PM

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The guy Maynard beat in his first fight on the show (Weems?) was the worst I've seen.

Yeah, I forgot about Wayne Weams. He was fucking ghastly. Blake Bowman was just as bad though.

Popkins · 03-07-2011, 01:25 PM

Koscheck at his best is a better fighter in terms of ability than Forrest Griffin or Matt Serra were at their respective bests, IMO.

BewareofDawg · 03-07-2011, 02:25 PM

Well determining who is the "best", meaning most skilled, is too subjective. I'd have to say:

Serra
Kos
Maynard
Diego
Florian
Rashad

Those 6 are probably the most well rounded, skilled fighters.

But another rating would be who accomplished the most. And for this there are a few different criteria:

1) first who has been a UFC champ:
Rashad - Won belt from Griffin, no defenses
Griffin - Won belt from Rampage, no defenses
Serra - Won belt from GSP, no defenses

I give this category to Serra, only due to the fact that he beat GSP (by TKO) for the title. GSP is arguably the best MMA fighter ever (arguably).

Wins over Top/Elite (top 5 in weight class) competition:
Griffin: Rampage, Shogun
Rashad: Rampage, Forrest
Serra: GSP
Diego: Kampmann, Karo?
Maynard: Florian, Edgar?

I give this category to Griffin because he finished Shogun and that is very impressive to me. Whether Shogun was in shape or not, he was still Shogun and the #1 Lt Heavy at the time. I don't think that single victory is better than serra beating GSP, but the help of the Rampage victory pushes him past Serra.

Best overall record and resume:

This one is very tough because it's also subjective in a sense. Maynard has no losses and one draw to the champ (edgar) who he has previoiusly beaten, but not many other top guys on his resume. Griffin has fought the best competition having faced Anderson, Shogun, Rampage, Rashad but doesn't have the best record and has also lost to Jardine and Tito. Serra has lost the majority of his top fights but has held his own and fought extremely tough competition, maybe tougher than Griffin. Rashad has fought decent competition and only lost to Machida when Machida was #1.

I would say this category comes down to Rashad and Maynard. And since Maynard has a win over the only guy he didn't beat (Edgar) as well as a draw against him when Edgar was #1 in the world I would give this category to Maynard.

1HitterQuitter · 03-07-2011, 09:07 PM

Florian or Lauzon

rekcutnevets · 03-07-2011, 10:30 PM

Serra has the best win of any TUF contestant thus far, but I don't think he is the best fighter.

I think that Evans would have to be my pick at the moment, but I think that Maynard may take that spot soon. That's win or lose in a rematch with Edgar. Maynard defeated Florian, which was a big victory in my opinion, and will have the opportunity for some more big wins in the future.

caleb_forrest_g · 03-07-2011, 11:38 PM

Rashadd, and forrest
remember mikw whitehead wqas hughes 1st pick, and got his ass whooped in the 1st fight

Popkins · 03-09-2011, 05:35 AM

Why no love for Koscheck?!

Don't get me wrong, the guy is a complete and utter a-hole.

But his performances against Johnson and Daley were excellent exhibitions of high-level wrestling skill.

Although I don't like his fighting style much, I still think that he beats EVERYONE at 170 other than GSP - and I include Fitch in that.

Koscheck is a bad, bad man.

BewareofDawg · 03-09-2011, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Popkins

Why no love for Koscheck?!

Don't get me wrong, the guy is a complete and utter a-hole.

But his performances against Johnson and Daley were excellent exhibitions of high-level wrestling skill.

Although I don't like his fighting style much, I still think that he beats EVERYONE at 170 other than GSP - and I include Fitch in that.

Koscheck is a bad, bad man.

You think he beats Alves?

Lynchburg · 03-09-2011, 10:28 AM

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I still think that he beats EVERYONE at 170 other than GSP - and I include Fitch in that.

Jake Shields will pwn him son!!!

Lynchburg

Flash Jab · 03-09-2011, 10:33 AM

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You think he beats Alves?

I do.

BewareofDawg · 03-09-2011, 11:12 AM

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I do.

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03-07-2011, 12:17 PM	#16
sugarngold RIDDUM East Side Guru Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Mutantville, North Carolina Posts: 9,360 vCash: 200	Re: Who is the Best Fighter to ever appear as a contestant on TUF? Matt Serra seems to hold the best post-TUF career moment in his win over GSP.
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03-07-2011, 12:50 PM	#17
codeman99998 Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 1,984 vCash: 1000	Re: Who is the Best Fighter to ever appear as a contestant on TUF? It's gotta be Griffin. He went on to beat Shogun, earn a title fight, and beat Rampage. Serra was given his shot for winning tough, he didn't really earn it after tough, and has less quality wins than Griffin after the show.
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03-07-2011, 01:25 PM	#21
Popkins Pacquiao East Side VIP Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: UK Posts: 13,559 vCash: 1000	Re: Who is the Best Fighter to ever appear as a contestant on TUF? Koscheck at his best is a better fighter in terms of ability than Forrest Griffin or Matt Serra were at their respective bests, IMO.
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03-07-2011, 02:25 PM	#22
BewareofDawg P4P Champ East Side VIP Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: At The ESB VIP Table! Posts: 13,659 vCash: 1000	Re: Who is the Best Fighter to ever appear as a contestant on TUF? Well determining who is the "best", meaning most skilled, is too subjective. I'd have to say: Serra Kos Maynard Diego Florian Rashad Those 6 are probably the most well rounded, skilled fighters. But another rating would be who accomplished the most. And for this there are a few different criteria: 1) first who has been a UFC champ: Rashad - Won belt from Griffin, no defenses Griffin - Won belt from Rampage, no defenses Serra - Won belt from GSP, no defenses I give this category to Serra, only due to the fact that he beat GSP (by TKO) for the title. GSP is arguably the best MMA fighter ever (arguably). Wins over Top/Elite (top 5 in weight class) competition: Griffin: Rampage, Shogun Rashad: Rampage, Forrest Serra: GSP Diego: Kampmann, Karo? Maynard: Florian, Edgar? I give this category to Griffin because he finished Shogun and that is very impressive to me. Whether Shogun was in shape or not, he was still Shogun and the #1 Lt Heavy at the time. I don't think that single victory is better than serra beating GSP, but the help of the Rampage victory pushes him past Serra. Best overall record and resume: This one is very tough because it's also subjective in a sense. Maynard has no losses and one draw to the champ (edgar) who he has previoiusly beaten, but not many other top guys on his resume. Griffin has fought the best competition having faced Anderson, Shogun, Rampage, Rashad but doesn't have the best record and has also lost to Jardine and Tito. Serra has lost the majority of his top fights but has held his own and fought extremely tough competition, maybe tougher than Griffin. Rashad has fought decent competition and only lost to Machida when Machida was #1. I would say this category comes down to Rashad and Maynard. And since Maynard has a win over the only guy he didn't beat (Edgar) as well as a draw against him when Edgar was #1 in the world I would give this category to Maynard.
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1HitterQuitter RUTHLESS BY LAW ESB Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: The Bay Area Posts: 922 vCash: 500	Re: Who is the Best Fighter to ever appear as a contestant on TUF? Florian or Lauzon
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03-07-2011, 10:30 PM	#24
rekcutnevets Black Sash East Side Guru Join Date: May 2007 Location: InYourMouth, NC Posts: 6,550 vCash: 1000	Re: Who is the Best Fighter to ever appear as a contestant on TUF? Serra has the best win of any TUF contestant thus far, but I don't think he is the best fighter. I think that Evans would have to be my pick at the moment, but I think that Maynard may take that spot soon. That's win or lose in a rematch with Edgar. Maynard defeated Florian, which was a big victory in my opinion, and will have the opportunity for some more big wins in the future.
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caleb_forrest_g Contender ESB Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: nashville tennessee Posts: 676 vCash: 500	Re: Who is the Best Fighter to ever appear as a contestant on TUF? Rashadd, and forrest remember mikw whitehead wqas hughes 1st pick, and got his ass whooped in the 1st fight
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03-09-2011, 05:35 AM	#26
Popkins Pacquiao East Side VIP Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: UK Posts: 13,559 vCash: 1000	Re: Who is the Best Fighter to ever appear as a contestant on TUF? Why no love for Koscheck?! Don't get me wrong, the guy is a complete and utter a-hole. But his performances against Johnson and Daley were excellent exhibitions of high-level wrestling skill. Although I don't like his fighting style much, I still think that he beats EVERYONE at 170 other than GSP - and I include Fitch in that. Koscheck is a bad, bad man.
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