How will boxing history remember Floyd Mayweather?

Beeston Brawler · 03-08-2011, 06:29 AM

With Mayweather seemingly having fought his last battle in the ring during 2010, and showing no intention of climbing back in the ring in the future...... I think it would be a good time to evaluate Floyd Mayweather the fighter, Floyd Mayweather the man and his impact and legacy in the sport.

As one who truly polarises opinion - his fans believe he is one of the best (if not the best) boxer of all time, whilst his detractors believe that his career is largely smoke and mirrors, especially since the move up to the 147lb division.

How do you remember Floyd Mayweather?

Is he an ATG fighter?

What could he or should he have done different/better?

How would he fare against the top fighters in his particular weight classes?

Are his fans more irritating than Klitschko/Pacquiao's

Analyse/discuss

KingCobra · 03-08-2011, 06:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Beeston Brawler

With Mayweather seemingly having fought his last battle in the ring during 2010, and showing no intention of climbing back in the ring in the future...... I think it would be a good time to evaluate Floyd Mayweather the fighter, Floyd Mayweather the man and his impact and legacy in the sport.

As one who truly polarises opinion - his fans believe he is one of the best (if not the best) boxer of all time, whilst his detractors believe that his career is largely smoke and mirrors, especially since the move up to the 147lb division.

How do you remember Floyd Mayweather?

Is he an ATG fighter?

What could he or should he have done different/better?

How would he fare against the top fighters in his particular weight classes?

Are his fans more irritating than Klitschko/Pacquiao's

Analyse/discuss

Isn't he considering fighting in South Africa in honour of Mandela's birthday, or has that fallen through now?

Wickio · 03-08-2011, 06:33 AM

I'll sit back and wait for Flea to give his two cents.

Lee Mc · 03-08-2011, 06:36 AM

History will remember him as one of the best of his generation but will always compare him unfavourably to ATGs.

garymcfall · 03-08-2011, 06:37 AM

Skill wise he ranks very high amongst the greats of all time imo, in terms of his resume not so much.

03-08-2011, 06:37 AM

My personal opinion is that his career is mainly smoke and mirrors and his greatness is often based on the misconception that he's 'unbeatable'.

No doubt he is a fantastic boxer and has superb skills, but the frustration of being so inactive and not taking on some of the best opponents out there leaves a massive hole in his legacy in my view.

Bungle85 · 03-08-2011, 06:42 AM

as the man who didnt fight Manny Pacquiao...

Which is a shame because he was/is brilliant

Uncle Rico · 03-08-2011, 06:53 AM

Fantastic boxer in the ring, complete dickhead outside it. Considers himself bigger than the sport, and exempt (at WW) from having to fight the best. I also have suspicions of him having a shaky chin. But I guess we'll never find out for sure, because the fucker is that good in the ring, but still won't look towards dangerous opponents.

jonny v · 03-08-2011, 07:01 AM

he's in the game to win.and he has so far always worked out how to win.he is not interested in entertainment and machoism,he just takes the sport literally in its purest form.great at what he does yes! but not great.....

Flea Man · 03-08-2011, 07:08 AM

Resume is decent rather than spectacular. Skillset looks flawless but might not do had he fought all the best challenges when presented with them.

He's done nothing wrong but there are countless more fighters that have done more amazing things, and his skillset isn't so unbelievable that I'll give him the benefit of the doubt (Sumbu Kalambay did everything he did and against better opposition) so, in short, a hard fighter to gauge.

Has risen through the weights and has been consistent, but his resume just isn't up to scratch with many other great fighters.

People will no doubt claim I'm a 'hater' or 'underrating him; quite to the contrary, I am just giving great fighters the props they deserve. Floyd doesn't deserve to be placed amongst the fifty greatest fighters that has ever lived IMO, simply because for all talk of 'he could do this' or 'although he didn't fight that guy he would've beaten him', he hasn't. He just isn't up to par.

For this era, he is firmly behind Manny. B-Hop also.

All this talk of 'unbelievable skillset' doesn't wash with me either; you really see how brilliant someone is when they have that one opponent, which hopefully weren't Castillo (brilliant but not an ATG) and De La Hoya (brilliant but not a true ATG and not at his best when Floyd faced him) both of who pushed him as far as he could go. Mosley win was quality but makes you think; if a past-it Mosley could force Floyd to make some real adjustments, how would he look against truly formidable opponents?

In short, many will remember him as a brilliant master of the sweet science. I would personally say they're wrong; he's a waste of talent. Or rather, a very intelligent charade, made to look flawless through very intelligent cherry picking.

Is he an Elite fighter? Of course, the man is no joke. But he doesn't deserve to be placed into that sorta' class

Flea Man · 03-08-2011, 07:14 AM

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Originally Posted by garymcfall

Skill wise he ranks very high amongst the greats of all time imo, in terms of his resume not so much.

This sums it up for me.

How can someones skillset be validated when it hasn't been tested? He has not faced complete jokers, in fact he has faced a lot of solid Elite/top fighters, no doubt.

But he has never had that boogeyman to overcome. Well, he has but seems disinterested in facing him. That's fair enough, but he doesn't deserve a free pass from many who would say 'well he'd clearly beat him'.

HMSTempleGarden · 03-08-2011, 07:16 AM

well put it this way, he won't be remembered to be better than Ray Robinson regardless how many times he tells us.

Evil Rick · 03-08-2011, 07:36 AM

I'll remember him the way I'll remember Pacquiao and Calzaghe, potentially ATG's but missed era defining fights to prove they are undoubtedly the best.

Flea Man · 03-08-2011, 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Evil Rick

I'll remember him the way I'll remember Pacquiao and Calzaghe, potentially ATG's but missed era defining fights to prove they are undoubtedly the best.

El Cepillo · 03-08-2011, 07:40 AM

Good question. Simple answer.

He'll always be regarded as the 2nd best fighter of his era.

Unless he beats Manny, Floyd will forever been in his shadow.

03-08-2011, 06:29 AM	#1
Beeston Brawler Comical Ali-egedly East Side VIP Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: trying to increase my overdraft.... Posts: 35,250 vCash: 75	How will boxing history remember Floyd Mayweather? With Mayweather seemingly having fought his last battle in the ring during 2010, and showing no intention of climbing back in the ring in the future...... I think it would be a good time to evaluate Floyd Mayweather the fighter, Floyd Mayweather the man and his impact and legacy in the sport. As one who truly polarises opinion - his fans believe he is one of the best (if not the best) boxer of all time, whilst his detractors believe that his career is largely smoke and mirrors, especially since the move up to the 147lb division. How do you remember Floyd Mayweather? Is he an ATG fighter? What could he or should he have done different/better? How would he fare against the top fighters in his particular weight classes? Are his fans more irritating than Klitschko/Pacquiao's Analyse/discuss
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Wickio ▀▄▀▄ Check Hooking ▄▀▄▀ ESB Addict Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Nottingham, UK Posts: 1,794 vCash: 93	Re: How will boxing history remember Floyd Mayweather? I'll sit back and wait for Flea to give his two cents.
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Lee Mc WBF, IBA and WBB Champ. East Side VIP Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: London Posts: 10,038 vCash: 172	Re: How will boxing history remember Floyd Mayweather? History will remember him as one of the best of his generation but will always compare him unfavourably to ATGs.
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03-08-2011, 06:42 AM	#7
Bungle85 Journeyman ESB Jr Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 277 vCash: 500	Re: How will boxing history remember Floyd Mayweather? as the man who didnt fight Manny Pacquiao... Which is a shame because he was/is brilliant
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Uncle Rico P4P King East Side VIP Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 24,556 vCash: 75	Re: How will boxing history remember Floyd Mayweather? Fantastic boxer in the ring, complete dickhead outside it. Considers himself bigger than the sport, and exempt (at WW) from having to fight the best. I also have suspicions of him having a shaky chin. But I guess we'll never find out for sure, because the fucker is that good in the ring, but still won't look towards dangerous opponents.
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03-08-2011, 07:01 AM	#9
jonny v Gatekeeper ESB Full Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 479 vCash: 500	Re: How will boxing history remember Floyd Mayweather? he's in the game to win.and he has so far always worked out how to win.he is not interested in entertainment and machoism,he just takes the sport literally in its purest form.great at what he does yes! but not great.....
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03-08-2011, 07:08 AM	#10
Flea Man มวยสากล East Side VIP Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: @ferociousflea Posts: 44,062 vCash: 75	Re: How will boxing history remember Floyd Mayweather? Resume is decent rather than spectacular. Skillset looks flawless but might not do had he fought all the best challenges when presented with them. He's done nothing wrong but there are countless more fighters that have done more amazing things, and his skillset isn't so unbelievable that I'll give him the benefit of the doubt (Sumbu Kalambay did everything he did and against better opposition) so, in short, a hard fighter to gauge. Has risen through the weights and has been consistent, but his resume just isn't up to scratch with many other great fighters. People will no doubt claim I'm a 'hater' or 'underrating him; quite to the contrary, I am just giving great fighters the props they deserve. Floyd doesn't deserve to be placed amongst the fifty greatest fighters that has ever lived IMO, simply because for all talk of 'he could do this' or 'although he didn't fight that guy he would've beaten him', he hasn't. He just isn't up to par. For this era, he is firmly behind Manny. B-Hop also. All this talk of 'unbelievable skillset' doesn't wash with me either; you really see how brilliant someone is when they have that one opponent, which hopefully weren't Castillo (brilliant but not an ATG) and De La Hoya (brilliant but not a true ATG and not at his best when Floyd faced him) both of who pushed him as far as he could go. Mosley win was quality but makes you think; if a past-it Mosley could force Floyd to make some real adjustments, how would he look against truly formidable opponents? In short, many will remember him as a brilliant master of the sweet science. I would personally say they're wrong; he's a waste of talent. Or rather, a very intelligent charade, made to look flawless through very intelligent cherry picking. Is he an Elite fighter? Of course, the man is no joke. But he doesn't deserve to be placed into that sorta' class
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03-08-2011, 07:16 AM	#12
HMSTempleGarden Champion East Side Guru Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Scotland Posts: 6,457 vCash: 2522	Re: How will boxing history remember Floyd Mayweather? well put it this way, he won't be remembered to be better than Ray Robinson regardless how many times he tells us.
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Evil Rick Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 3,647 vCash: 500	Re: How will boxing history remember Floyd Mayweather? I'll remember him the way I'll remember Pacquiao and Calzaghe, potentially ATG's but missed era defining fights to prove they are undoubtedly the best.
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03-08-2011, 07:40 AM	#15
El Cepillo Baddest Man on the Planet East Side VIP Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Great Britain Posts: 14,160 vCash: 1075	Re: How will boxing history remember Floyd Mayweather? Good question. Simple answer. He'll always be regarded as the 2nd best fighter of his era. Unless he beats Manny, Floyd will forever been in his shadow.
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