if srr had won....

shommel · 03-09-2011, 10:12 AM

the lightheavy title how long would he have held it who would have taken it from him and if had decifded to go after the heavyweight title who would he have had to beat and if he did how long would he have held it and who would have taken it from him?

Danny · 03-09-2011, 11:44 AM

I don't think he would have stuck around at LHW for too long, perhaps making one defense & that's it, win or lose. He simply wasn't big or strong enough!

However, IF he had emerged victorious that night against Maxim, there would be NO debate about who is the P4P Greatest of all time!

Personally, Robinson is the Best P4P fighter EVER, & a Win over Maxim, capturing the LHW title, would have only enhanced this!

goat15 · 03-09-2011, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Danny

I don't think he would have stuck around at LHW for too long, perhaps making one defense & that's it, win or lose. He simply wasn't big or strong enough!

However, IF he had emerged victorious that night against Maxim, there would be NO debate about who is the P4P Greatest of all time!

Personally, Robinson is the Best P4P fighter EVER, & a Win over Maxim, capturing the LHW title, would have only enhanced this!

yeah it would have added to him, but let's face it who cares. he outboxed him anyway!

Lobotomy · 03-09-2011, 05:03 PM

At that moment, Walcott was the heavyweight champion. Maxim held a decision win over Jersey Joe, then closely contested him in a pair of returns. However, JJW was dethroned by Marciano three months after Maxim-Robinson. For Maxim, Moore was just around the corner. If Robby made any attempt to defend at 175, Archie would have been the likely challenger. Joey was not the kind of lethal puncher the others were. For Ray, Maxim was probably a retirement bout, win, lose or draw. Moore could not be denied a shot any longer.

ecto55 · 03-09-2011, 05:23 PM

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Longhhorn71 · 03-09-2011, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by ecto55

I agree the obvious bout for SRR had he beat Maxim would have been Moore, but of course who knows what the rankings at Light Heavy were like then. Maxim's win over SRR was his last sucessful defence of that title before losing it to moore, its conceivable that SRR beleived that winning the title could put him in a much better/advantageous bargaining positition with a matchup with No.1 challenger Moore.

I doubt that Sugar Ray would have retired immediatly after beating Maxim, SRR loved the green and the money making axiom says the better opportunities are usually at the higher weight classes. Some might say- why would Sugar Ray pick a very talented, biger man without a title to fight as a big money spinner in his 1st defence?
I beleive that the publicity the clever Archie Moore had been generating- writing open letters to the President etc, coupled with his undoubted skills would have probably made this bout a hugely anticipated fight- but there's ESB posters who were alive when this bout could have been made, mabye they can shed light on Archie's 'name' value.

As for the bout, Ray wasn't scared of Archie, infact he tried to make the match later on when Archie had won the 175lb title, so at least in SRR's mind he beleived he could a) beat Archie and b) compete at 175lb's. And mabye against Moore in a cooler ring, he could box his way to a decision, but its hard to see Moore not bering able to hurt SRR somewhere along the distance.

Prime Moore would have wiped SRR out.

cuchulain · 03-09-2011, 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by shommel

Re: if srr had won....the lightheavy title ...

He would have been considered by many to be the greatest pound-for-pound boxer of all time.

But, wait a minute... ???

03-09-2011, 10:12 AM	#1
shommel Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 2,062 vCash: 1000	if srr had won.... the lightheavy title how long would he have held it who would have taken it from him and if had decifded to go after the heavyweight title who would he have had to beat and if he did how long would he have held it and who would have taken it from him?
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03-09-2011, 11:44 AM	#2
Danny Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 1,730 vCash: 1000	Re: if srr had won.... I don't think he would have stuck around at LHW for too long, perhaps making one defense & that's it, win or lose. He simply wasn't big or strong enough! However, IF he had emerged victorious that night against Maxim, there would be NO debate about who is the P4P Greatest of all time! Personally, Robinson is the Best P4P fighter EVER, & a Win over Maxim, capturing the LHW title, would have only enhanced this!
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03-09-2011, 05:03 PM	#4
Lobotomy Contender ESB Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 841 vCash: 1000	Re: if srr had won.... At that moment, Walcott was the heavyweight champion. Maxim held a decision win over Jersey Joe, then closely contested him in a pair of returns. However, JJW was dethroned by Marciano three months after Maxim-Robinson. For Maxim, Moore was just around the corner. If Robby made any attempt to defend at 175, Archie would have been the likely challenger. Joey was not the kind of lethal puncher the others were. For Ray, Maxim was probably a retirement bout, win, lose or draw. Moore could not be denied a shot any longer.
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ecto55 Contender ESB Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: a little sun-drenched vinyard 3 hours north by nor-west of Sydney, NSW, Australia... Posts: 588 vCash: 1000	Re: if srr had won.... ............... Last edited by ecto55; 06-11-2011 at 02:36 AM.
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