who is the greatest of all time? vote. - Page 11

johnmaff36 · 11-17-2012, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by burt bienstock

The question posed is best fighter P4P J. Did I include Jack Dempsey as my top six .??? No. So why chastise me ? I included Greb, Robinson, Benny Leonard [Robby's equal as a LW], Langford, Armstrong,and ole Fitz...
P4P a heavyweight as 215 pound Ali was, wasn't as good all around as a Sugar Ray Leonard ,who could do as a WW more than Ali because of his "sharper"
punching...If Clay/Ali was not charismatic as he was, he wouldn't be called
"the greatest HWT of alltime" IMO. A chap named Joe Louis has that distinction...Louis eviscerated his division for 12 years,leaving his opponents prone on the canvas...Ali did not do this, though Ali had better
opposition...Cheers...

You never mentioned Armstrong, although im sure it was just an easy oversight. Ive no beef with the fighters you picked, none whatsoever, but i do find it strange that you pick Dempsey as an HM (which you DID, just check your post) and omit Ali. Im not chastising you, just an honest observation my good man.

Unforgiven · 11-17-2012, 09:36 AM

Probably because Dempsey was better 'pound for pound', beating up much bigger men etc.

johnmaff36 · 11-17-2012, 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Unforgiven

Probably because Dempsey was better 'pound for pound', beating up much bigger men etc.

maybe so. I personally wouldnt agree. I dont think many would but thats just my opinion, i may be wrong

lufcrazy · 11-17-2012, 09:44 AM

Well the best achievement is Armstrong: simultaneously being the best man in 3 different weight classes.

the best resume is Greb: eeds no further input.

The best on film is Robinson.

It's extremely close between these 3 guys but in the end I go with Robinson and here's why. I've never seen Greb fight and out of a prime matchup between Robinson and Armstrong I favour Robinson to emerge victorious.

johnmaff36 · 11-17-2012, 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by lufcrazy

Well the best achievement is Armstrong: simultaneously being the best man in 3 different weight classes.

the best resume is Greb: eeds no further input.

The best on film is Robinson.

It's extremely close between these 3 guys but in the end I go with Robinson and here's why. I've never seen Greb fight and out of a prime matchup between Robinson and Armstrong I favour Robinson to emerge victorious.

Sounds reasonable and logical enough to me

orriray59 · 11-17-2012, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by lufcrazy

Well the best achievement is Armstrong: simultaneously being the best man in 3 different weight classes.

the best resume is Greb: eeds no further input.

The best on film is Robinson.

It's extremely close between these 3 guys but in the end I go with Robinson and here's why. I've never seen Greb fight and out of a prime matchup between Robinson and Armstrong I favour Robinson to emerge victorious.

Nice post Luf.

Yeah, if we're going solely by resume Greb has the advantage.

He's my man.

Nightcrawler · 11-17-2012, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by lufcrazy

Well the best achievement is Armstrong: simultaneously being the best man in 3 different weight classes.

the best resume is Greb: eeds no further input.

The best on film is Robinson.

It's extremely close between these 3 guys but in the end I go with Robinson and here's why. I've never seen Greb fight and out of a prime matchup between Robinson and Armstrong I favour Robinson to emerge victorious.

i'm with the big O, fine post

and nicely sums up the fighters involved and the difficulty with choosing ONE greatest...it really depends on your criteria.

by the way: surprised you don't have fitz in contention for greatest achievement. also for greatest achievement, i think langford MAY have a case with his wins/newspaper wins from lightweight-heavyweight:
1)joe gans
2)walcott
3)ketchell
4)o'brien
5)everyone but johnson

Hands of Iron · 11-17-2012, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by lufcrazy

Well the best achievement is Armstrong: simultaneously being the best man in 3 different weight classes.

the best resume is Greb: eeds no further input.

The best on film is Robinson.

It's extremely close between these 3 guys but in the end I go with Robinson and here's why. I've never seen Greb fight and out of a prime matchup between Robinson and Armstrong I favour Robinson to emerge victorious.

Love the way you put this, and indeed: They are my top three.

Robinson and Armstrong's resumes are certainly nothing to sneeze at either.

the cobra · 11-17-2012, 06:58 PM

Langford beat great fighters from Lightweight to Heavyweight. I'm not so sure Greb's resume is any better, nor Armstrong's actual achievement.

1. Robinson
2. Langford
3. Greb

Those are the guys I like for the top spot, most often in that order.

Unforgiven · 11-18-2012, 02:44 AM

Joe Louis looks best on film to me, and his achievements (longest reign, most defences, 22 title fight KOs) stack up well against anyone's.

Hands of Iron · 11-18-2012, 03:13 AM

I know Cox has him in his top five P4P.

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Hands of Iron · 11-18-2012, 03:26 AM

Don't see it too often, though.

View Poll Results: who achieved the most, pound for pound?
Ali	23	11.86%
Armstrong	9	4.64%
Charles	2	1.03%
Fitzsimmons	8	4.12%
Greb	30	15.46%
Langford	7	3.61%
Moore	0	0%
Pep	5	2.58%
Robinson	85	43.81%
Other	25	12.89%
Voters: 194. You may not vote on this poll

11-17-2012, 09:36 AM	#152
Unforgiven Undisputed Champion East Side VIP Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 13,141 vCash: 1000	Re: who is the greatest of all time? vote. Probably because Dempsey was better 'pound for pound', beating up much bigger men etc.
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11-17-2012, 09:44 AM	#154
lufcrazy requiescat in pace East Side VIP Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: England, Up North Posts: 22,711 vCash: 330	Re: who is the greatest of all time? vote. Well the best achievement is Armstrong: simultaneously being the best man in 3 different weight classes. the best resume is Greb: eeds no further input. The best on film is Robinson. It's extremely close between these 3 guys but in the end I go with Robinson and here's why. I've never seen Greb fight and out of a prime matchup between Robinson and Armstrong I favour Robinson to emerge victorious.
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11-17-2012, 06:58 PM	#159
the cobra Awesomeizationism! East Side Guru Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 5,991 vCash: 1000	Re: who is the greatest of all time? vote. Langford beat great fighters from Lightweight to Heavyweight. I'm not so sure Greb's resume is any better, nor Armstrong's actual achievement. 1. Robinson 2. Langford 3. Greb Those are the guys I like for the top spot, most often in that order.
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11-18-2012, 02:44 AM	#160
Unforgiven Undisputed Champion East Side VIP Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 13,141 vCash: 1000	Re: who is the greatest of all time? vote. Joe Louis looks best on film to me, and his achievements (longest reign, most defences, 22 title fight KOs) stack up well against anyone's.
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11-18-2012, 03:13 AM	#161
Hands of Iron GolovKING East Side Guru Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 8,132 vCash: 2577	Re: who is the greatest of all time? vote. I know Cox has him in his top five P4P. [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3PpR12yaRs&feature=youtube_gdata_player"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3PpR12yaRs&feature=youtube_gdata_player[/ame]
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11-18-2012, 03:26 AM	#162
Hands of Iron GolovKING East Side Guru Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 8,132 vCash: 2577	Re: who is the greatest of all time? vote. Don't see it too often, though.
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