Prime Chuck Liddell vs Jon Jones - Page 2

yaca you · 03-21-2011, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Popkins

Jones would destroy Liddell. Chuck got trashed by Rampage in his prime, he would not have been able to cope with Jones.

Im not so sure, rampage style is much much different than jones I dont think we can compare the two.

Chuck liddell is a big lhw with fantastic take down defence, had great conditioning and a good chin, he also has very good recovery.

Jones leaves himself open to counterattack if liddell lands that right hand it could spell trouble for jones.

the problem for liddel in fighting jones would be jones's speed and superior reach but we still dont know if jones can take a big punch like the ones liddell would land at some point on him.

I think its too early to tell at the moment.

yaca you · 03-21-2011, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by scurlaruntings

Plus Chuck made a career feasting on wrestlers who really couldn't challenge him in the striking department. Much the same way Chuck struggled with Overeem's length in the GP is the same way he'd struggle with Jones and be on the end of an eventual KO.

Chuck fought quite a few strikers overeem, belfort and pele.

Rampage was the only one who simply outstuck chuck and finished him in Liddell's prime (couture did outstike chuck when coming in for the takedown but it was the takedowns that got him the victory)

scurlaruntings · 03-21-2011, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by yaca you

Chuck fought quite a few strikers overeem, belfort and pele.

Rampage was the only one who simply outstuck chuck and finished him in Liddell's prime (couture did outstike chuck when coming in for the takedown but it was the takedowns that got him the victory)

Pele was two divisions lower than him. He looked like a giant when they fought. And compare that list to the amount of wrestlers he fought and you have a clear disparity.

chimba · 03-21-2011, 11:11 AM

Prime Liddell was having a bit of difficulty with smallish but semi unconventional Tiger white. This fights a joke. Theres a reason Chuck retired, he didnt want too but he want the Shogun x2 beating.

yaca you · 03-21-2011, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by chimba

Prime Liddell was having a bit of difficulty with smallish but semi unconventional Tiger white. This fights a joke. Theres a reason Chuck retired, he didnt want too but he want the Shogun x2 beating.

I think it was because chucks chin has turned to soap! Otherwise I bet he would still be fighting.

chimba · 03-21-2011, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by yaca you

I think it was because chucks chin has turned to soap! Otherwise I bet he would still be fighting.

Well that didnt stop him from getting knocked unconcious 10 times in a row. But hes never been grabbed at the neck and slammed. He didnt want that.

yaca you · 03-21-2011, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by scurlaruntings

Pele was two divisions lower than him. He looked like a giant when they fought. And compare that list to the amount of wrestlers he fought and you have a clear disparity.

true pele was much smaller than Chuck but pele was still outstriking chuck than liddell used his wrestling to gain the advantage, this was very early in Liddels MMA career only Chucks second fight back in 1998!

Also I could add wandy to the list since both chuck and wandy were past their primes it should equal out...right.

Popkins · 03-21-2011, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Anarchy99

You misunderstood me. He hadn't peaked yet. He was a late peaking fighter. Do you consider Pac's loss to Morales a peak Manny? No.

That's a double-fail then.

If Chuck wasn't prime in the 1st Rampage fight, then when exactly was he prime? For the 7 fights in 3 years in between his 1st beating from Rampage and his 2nd beating from Rampage?

Congratulations Chuck, you had one of the shortest and most convenient primes in MMA history, it started after a loss (Rampage 1), occurred when you were on a short winning streak, then ended before another loss (Rampage 2).

Talk about rewriting history to suit yourself...

yaca you · 03-21-2011, 11:32 AM

well it works with tyson.

Not that I am agreeing or anything Rampage had a style to beat chuck with very good power and counterpunching. Of course rampage has good wrestling too.

scurlaruntings · 03-21-2011, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by yaca you

true pele was much smaller than Chuck but pele was still outstriking chuck than liddell used his wrestling to gain the advantage, this was very early in Liddels MMA career only Chucks second fight back in 1998!

Also I could add wandy to the list since both chuck and wandy were past their primes it should equal out...right.

Im sure that fight was fought under Vale Tudo rules and was bare knuckle. Been a while since iv seen that fight. Pele gave an excellent account for himself despite looking like a midget up against Liddell.

yaca you · 03-21-2011, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by scurlaruntings

Im sure that fight was fought under Vale Tudo rules and was bare knuckle. Been a while since iv seen that fight. Pele gave an excellent account for himself despite looking like a midget up against Liddell.

True dat!

Pele was the veteran of them type of fights and he was at his best at that time period.

Atlanta · 03-21-2011, 02:30 PM

Jones by Rape.

sugarngold · 03-21-2011, 05:16 PM

I'd still pick Liddell at this point because Jones' chin hasn't been tested yet. He might crumble once he gets cracked for all we know. Liddell would have taken those three shots to land that one right hand on Jones' chin and then it's GOODNIGHT IRENE!

Again these fantasy matchups are pretty goofy.

Matt Ldn · 03-21-2011, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Rob_Floyd

Chuck had good TDD, but Bones doesn't just shoot basic doubles and singles. His takedowns are hard to defend.

How do you defend against someone who can just throw you around like a toy

Haggis McJackass · 03-21-2011, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Popkins

That's dumb then.

The Rampage fight was in 2003.

Chuck only started as pro in 1998.

So he went from green to pre-prime to prime to past-prime all within 5 years?

Chuck was only 34 in 2003, and he'd only had 15 fights. Not exactly war-torn, was he?

The Rampage fight was immediately after he knocked out Alistair Overeem in 3minutes, and before he went on to record fantastic stoppages over Couture twice and Ortiz twice.

Saying he was no longer prime by the 1st Rampage fight??

Fail.

Moron, he lost the fight. Therefore he was not in his prime.

03-21-2011, 11:11 AM	#19
chimba Off the Somali Coast East Side VIP Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 10,025 vCash: 800	Re: Prime Chuck Liddell vs Jon Jones Prime Liddell was having a bit of difficulty with smallish but semi unconventional Tiger white. This fights a joke. Theres a reason Chuck retired, he didnt want too but he want the Shogun x2 beating.
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03-21-2011, 11:32 AM	#24
yaca you Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Tucson, AZ Posts: 2,153 vCash: 75	Re: Prime Chuck Liddell vs Jon Jones well it works with tyson. Not that I am agreeing or anything Rampage had a style to beat chuck with very good power and counterpunching. Of course rampage has good wrestling too.
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Atlanta Champion East Side Guru Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 9,351 vCash: 528	Re: Prime Chuck Liddell vs Jon Jones Jones by Rape.
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sugarngold RIDDUM East Side Guru Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Mutantville, North Carolina Posts: 9,257 vCash: 200	Re: Prime Chuck Liddell vs Jon Jones I'd still pick Liddell at this point because Jones' chin hasn't been tested yet. He might crumble once he gets cracked for all we know. Liddell would have taken those three shots to land that one right hand on Jones' chin and then it's GOODNIGHT IRENE! Again these fantasy matchups are pretty goofy.
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