Don't know if any of you realised by Shogun tapped - Page 7

Thom · 03-26-2011, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by chimba

People are completely missing the point again. Any version of Shogun gets destroyed. Thats the simple point. Did you even see the fight?

Denial is a bitch. There's no point in arguing with them. The only way that they will concede the fact that Jones is a nightmare match up for Rua is if he wins a rematch in similar fashion. The sad thing is that if they ever fight again, Shogun would take an even worse beating because Jones is still growing by leaps and bounds as a fighter and probably isn't anywhere near peaking.

chimba · 03-26-2011, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Thom

Denial is a bitch. There's no point in arguing with them. The only way that they will concede the fact that Jones is a nightmare match for Rua is if he wins a rematch in similar fashion. The sad thing is that if they ever fight again, Shogun would take an even worse beating because Jones is still growing by leaps and bounds as a fighter probably still isn't anywhere near peaking.

I agree its pretty useless. The sad thing is I'm just being objective.

If a fighter bursts into the scene next year with the athleticism of a Ndamukong Shu and was also an all American wrestler to boot, heck Id be the first one to say that maybe the evolution process of the sport is accelerating fast and Jon Jones is no longer an anomaly.

Thom · 03-26-2011, 05:24 PM

From the horse's mouth, Shogun: "I'm disgusted. JJ hits hard and the first knee was the problem."

[URL]***********.riddum.com/nouvelles/news-ufc/7769-shogun-***prime-apres-sa-defaite-je-suis-degoute-avec-photos[/URL]

(the article is in French)

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Rob_Floyd · 03-26-2011, 07:12 PM

Thus proving that Shogun may have been 100% going into the fight, and we would never have known because of that knee. The Shogun that destroyed Rampage could have showed up that night, but it wouldn't have mattered, because that knee took him out of the fight within 6 seconds.

Vitor Belfort · 03-26-2011, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Rob_Floyd

Thus proving that Shogun may have been 100% going into the fight, and we would never have known because of that knee. The Shogun that destroyed Rampage could have showed up that night, but it wouldn't have mattered, because that knee took him out of the fight within 6 seconds.

If the version of shogun that beat rampage was in there we'll all be talking that jon jones was too green and all hype up cuz shogun would have DESTROYED HIM.

We're talking about a guy who beat OVEREEM AND ARONA on the same night. THE SAME FREAKING NIGHT.

Thom · 03-26-2011, 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Vitor Belfort

If the version of shogun that beat rampage was in there we'll all be talking that jon jones was too green and all hype up cuz shogun would have DESTROYED HIM.

We're talking about a guy who beat OVEREEM AND ARONA on the same night. THE SAME FREAKING NIGHT.

*yawn*

chimba · 03-26-2011, 09:57 PM

Problem with Shogun is that his technique kinda suck. Hes a strong guy but he just wings wide punches (same with Wand) and if youre not overwhelmed by that, then hes pretty ordinary. His defense is horrid as well, hes wide open. His takedowns are average and TD defense weak and his JJ is more of a defense scrambling type.

In Pride, he was able to beat some opponents by sheer aggression and he does have some power. He was able to do so because hes a pretty durable fighter who can take a punch. He is built like Marco Ruas, he has a very durable rubbery body type, very tough and he receives some shots and he dishes out some punishment and he usually comes out on top. If you rewatch the Overeem fight, he was getting outstruck but he hung on just enough.

Frankly this style isnt going to last in todays MMA when the techniques are getting better exponentially by the day. I give him the Machida fight, he had the perfect gameplan and Machida didnt have the style to counter it.

Vitor Belfort · 03-26-2011, 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Thom

*yawn*

yup cuz you know i'm right

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Thom · 03-26-2011, 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Vitor Belfort

yup cuz you know i'm right

[IMG]********i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc136/RECKLESSTHABOSS/shogun_arona.gif[/IMG]

Your screen name is fitting. With all of the excuses that some fans make about inconsistencies in his performance, Shogun is turning into the new Vitor.

Quincy K · 03-27-2011, 12:28 AM

never bet on a guy coming off a torn acl of mcl. most guys are never the same.

that goes for most all sports.

Vitor Belfort · 03-27-2011, 12:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Thom

Your screen name is fitting. With all of the excuses that some fans make about inconsistencies in his performance, Shogun is turning into the new Vitor.

Nah his just been fighting the top light heavyweights lately. I mean machida X2 then got injured and was out for a while. He came back thinking he was training for rashad then he gets hurt and now have to train for jones.

it ****s up your routine. Let's see if bones can defend that title first before we start talking about how no one can beat this dude. Machida-rampage-evans-davis-rejuvenated shogun etc. i doubt he'll be keeping that belt that long.

achillesthegreat · 03-29-2011, 02:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Thom

From the horse's mouth, Shogun: "I'm disgusted. JJ hits hard and the first knee was the problem."

[URL]***********.riddum.com/nouvelles/news-ufc/7769-shogun-***prime-apres-sa-defaite-je-suis-degoute-avec-photos[/URL]

(the article is in French)

[IMG]********i160.photobucket.com/albums/t169/Inspectorchao/Mauricio%20Shogun%20Rua/JONESFLYINGKNEE.gif[/IMG]

Shogun went to counter what he must have thought was a right knee or just Jones coming in but Jones switched and he got hit with the other knee. Awesome stuff.

Bill Butcher · 03-30-2011, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Thom

I just had my annual visit to the optometrist last week. If you look closely, you can see that his musculature looks almost identical in both pics. There's a slight difference that can be chalked up to different lighting and different angles of the photos.

Shogun, his brother and his camp all say that he was in good shape going into the fight last Saturday, but I guess all of the butt hurt fanboys on the internet know better.

Why was Rua breathing thru his ass halfway thru the 1st rd then & wasnt even breathing heavy at all in rd 5 vs Machida ?

Answer = he was in much better shape vs Machida.... its clear as day to anyone that doesnt have a hardon for jones that Rua was not in his best shape.
Would Jones have won anyway ?... possibly more than probably, let Shogun get another 2 fights under his belt injury free & win or lose vs Jones you will see a massive difference

Bill Butcher · 03-30-2011, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by chimba

Problem with Shogun is that his technique kinda suck. Hes a strong guy but he just wings wide punches (same with Wand) and if youre not overwhelmed by that, then hes pretty ordinary. His defense is horrid as well, hes wide open. His takedowns are average and TD defense weak and his JJ is more of a defense scrambling type.

In Pride, he was able to beat some opponents by sheer aggression and he does have some power. He was able to do so because hes a pretty durable fighter who can take a punch. He is built like Marco Ruas, he has a very durable rubbery body type, very tough and he receives some shots and he dishes out some punishment and he usually comes out on top. If you rewatch the Overeem fight, he was getting outstruck but he hung on just enough.

Frankly this style isnt going to last in todays MMA when the techniques are getting better exponentially by the day. I give him the Machida fight, he had the perfect gameplan and Machida didnt have the style to counter it.

One of the worst & delusional posts Ive ever read in my life... not to mention downright disrespectful to a legendary MMA fighter... shocking stuff !

196osh · 03-30-2011, 04:13 PM

The problem here is that Shogun got brutally destroyed and tapped. If you think that he is going to do much better against Jones when he has the psychological damage done by the fight to contend with added to the significant physical advantages Jones has in every area and the fact Jones is getting better ever single day he trains then I don't know what to tell you.

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Thom Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 2,802 vCash: 1000	Re: Don't know if any of you realised by Shogun tapped From the horse's mouth, Shogun: "I'm disgusted. JJ hits hard and the first knee was the problem." [URL]*********.riddum.com/nouvelles/news-ufc/7769-shogun-prime-apres-sa-defaite-je-suis-degoute-avec-photos[/URL] (the article is in French) [IMG]*******i160.photobucket.com/albums/t169/Inspectorchao/Mauricio%20Shogun%20Rua/JONESFLYINGKNEE.gif[/IMG]
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03-26-2011, 07:12 PM	#94
Rob_Floyd Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: May 2010 Location: Canada Posts: 4,713 vCash: 847	Re: Don't know if any of you realised by Shogun tapped Thus proving that Shogun may have been 100% going into the fight, and we would never have known because of that knee. The Shogun that destroyed Rampage could have showed up that night, but it wouldn't have mattered, because that knee took him out of the fight within 6 seconds.
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03-26-2011, 09:57 PM	#97
chimba Off the Somali Coast East Side VIP Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 10,025 vCash: 800	Re: Don't know if any of you realised by Shogun tapped Problem with Shogun is that his technique kinda suck. Hes a strong guy but he just wings wide punches (same with Wand) and if youre not overwhelmed by that, then hes pretty ordinary. His defense is horrid as well, hes wide open. His takedowns are average and TD defense weak and his JJ is more of a defense scrambling type. In Pride, he was able to beat some opponents by sheer aggression and he does have some power. He was able to do so because hes a pretty durable fighter who can take a punch. He is built like Marco Ruas, he has a very durable rubbery body type, very tough and he receives some shots and he dishes out some punishment and he usually comes out on top. If you rewatch the Overeem fight, he was getting outstruck but he hung on just enough. Frankly this style isnt going to last in todays MMA when the techniques are getting better exponentially by the day. I give him the Machida fight, he had the perfect gameplan and Machida didnt have the style to counter it.
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03-27-2011, 12:28 AM	#100
Quincy K Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: mexico Posts: 2,920 vCash: 1000	Re: Don't know if any of you realised by Shogun tapped never bet on a guy coming off a torn acl of mcl. most guys are never the same. that goes for most all sports.
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03-30-2011, 04:13 PM	#105
196osh Mendes Bros. East Side Guru Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 7,291 vCash: 277	Re: Don't know if any of you realised by Shogun tapped The problem here is that Shogun got brutally destroyed and tapped. If you think that he is going to do much better against Jones when he has the psychological damage done by the fight to contend with added to the significant physical advantages Jones has in every area and the fact Jones is getting better ever single day he trains then I don't know what to tell you.
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