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Old 03-22-2011, 09:48 AM   #16
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I've allways understood the nose split was caused by a wayward elbow.
Wasn't talking about the second fight (nose fight) mate, I meant the first and much more memorable battle of the two; in that one, Marciano said Charles hurt him more than any other fighter. From what I remember, he described actual pain. Charles lost the fight but from their faces it looked dead even.

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Old 03-22-2011, 09:50 AM   #17
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Combinations and accuracy? YES! Charles was great... Power? So-So at 200 pounds... That's fair...


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But he wasn't 200lbs. He was lighter than that, and sometimes outweighed.
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Old 03-22-2011, 09:53 AM   #18
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Nah, I meant the first fight. Marciano described actual pain and said fighting Charles was hellish, or something along those lines. Charles lost the fight but he left Marciano in a bit of a state.

This is weird. I just made a post like this but it didn't register
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Old 03-22-2011, 10:16 AM   #19
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Nah, I meant the first fight. Marciano described actual pain and said fighting Charles was hellish, or something along those lines. Charles lost the fight but he left Marciano in a bit of a state.

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I've allways understood the nose split was caused by a wayward elbow.










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Old 03-22-2011, 10:30 AM   #20
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You do realise I was talking about the first fight then? I'm confused. Mostly by the site today... Posts don't seem to be registering
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Old 03-22-2011, 10:52 AM   #21
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He was a wicked puncher and that was confirmed again and again.

-However, that was before Baroudi. Looking at the % of KOs and the % of early KOs before that fight and afterwards suggests that something changed, although of course, he was getting older and was fighting bigger men. I find it interesting that he never again fought in his natural division after Baroudi. There could well be more than one reason for this. Liebling watched him in the early 50s and saw an "intuitive aversion to violence that set in like ice on a pond."

I think that Charles was one of the great punchers in history, and he had the potential to become of the greatest, but the Baroudi tragedy set him on a different course.
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Old 03-22-2011, 10:56 AM   #22
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You do realise I was talking about the first fight then? I'm confused. Mostly by the site today... Posts don't seem to be registering
Yes I got that. Facial damage is misleading imo.Look at post fight photos of Louis v Charles, they might incline you to make it a draw,when in fact ,Charles won handily.
I'm not saying Charles was not a very good puncher,but I would not put him among the top echelon myself.
For example , did he hit harder than Walcott ?
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Old 03-22-2011, 11:22 AM   #23
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Yes, in terms of technique; no, in terms of power. I don't think he was naturally powerful at all, but his brilliant textbook punching methods and punch choice made him a very fearsome opponent.
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Old 03-22-2011, 03:24 PM   #24
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His knockout of Satterfield replays over and over in my mind as I read this thread. Few who saw him prior to Baroudi's death would have questioned his firepower.
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Old 03-22-2011, 03:41 PM   #25
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An excellent puncher in terms of power, but boxing is full of those.

In composite terms, you could make a grand old argument but not in terms of pure power, no.
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this looks like a great puncher to me...


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Old 03-22-2011, 06:49 PM   #27
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Wasn't talking about the second fight (nose fight) mate, I meant the first and much more memorable battle of the two; in that one, Marciano said Charles hurt him more than any other fighter. From what I remember, he described actual pain. Charles lost the fight but from their faces it looked dead even.

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Misquote there Manassa. I believe Marciano said "I really knew what pain was in those fights." Or something like "I learned the most about pain in those fights." Marciano afterwards actually noted that he didn't sting him as hard as Walcott (Punch) but noted that they were grueling, bloody fights. I read that in Sullivan's biography of Rocky Marciano: The Brockton Blockbluster. Charles, also noted that he didn't believe Marciano punched that hard. Said he thought Walcott hit harder... interesting.
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Old 03-23-2011, 05:54 AM   #28
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why wasnt he able to get a shot at the light-heavy title ?
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Old 03-23-2011, 06:31 AM   #29
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Misquote there Manassa. I believe Marciano said "I really knew what pain was in those fights." Or something like "I learned the most about pain in those fights." Marciano afterwards actually noted that he didn't sting him as hard as Walcott (Punch) but noted that they were grueling, bloody fights. I read that in Sullivan's biography of Rocky Marciano: The Brockton Blockbluster. Charles, also noted that he didn't believe Marciano punched that hard. Said he thought Walcott hit harder... interesting.
Some might argue that, because Walcott dropped Louis 3 times in 2 fights ,and Marciano, in their 1st fight. Walcott was a heavier puncher than Charles.
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Old 03-23-2011, 09:11 AM   #30
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Misquote there Manassa. I believe Marciano said "I really knew what pain was in those fights." Or something like "I learned the most about pain in those fights." Marciano afterwards actually noted that he didn't sting him as hard as Walcott (Punch) but noted that they were grueling, bloody fights. I read that in Sullivan's biography of Rocky Marciano: The Brockton Blockbluster. Charles, also noted that he didn't believe Marciano punched that hard. Said he thought Walcott hit harder... interesting.
Yeah, it's along those lines. Didn't mean to imply Marciano thought Charles hit the hardest, but by his accounts (got them in a book, will have to re-read) Charles was just, like you said, gruelling to fight.
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