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Old 03-27-2011, 04:05 PM   #1
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Default Gil Clancy's Views of Carlos Monzon

I've heard in the past that Gil Clancy's always considered Monzon to be very overated, is this true and what are his reasons, what are some of the things he's said.

I'd be very interested in any information on this subject.
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Old 03-27-2011, 04:07 PM   #2
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ZL: Some of the best fights you ever worked…I want to get some quick impressions of them, things you recall. Monzon-Griffith? (Clancy trained Emile Griffith from his first amateur contest through his last—109th—pro fight.)

GC: Well, the second time they fought, I thought we had a perfect fight for him that night. And I thought Griffith won the fight, just by outworking Monzon. (Monzon was awarded a UD for the 15-rounder. Monzon also won their first encounter—TKO14.) As a matter of fact, Nino Benvenuti, who was a newspaperman for the fight…for a week, he wrote everyday how it was a disgrace, how Griffith really won the fight, and this and that. Again, Monzon pulled it out and won the fight.

ZL: I’m curious, where do you rate Monzon among the great middleweights?

GC: I never thought he was that great a fighter. I had (Rodrigo) Valdes fight him twice, too. Valdes had him on the deck, and that was also another decision that should have gone the other way. (Monzon by UD15 both times.)
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ZL: Some of the best fights you ever worked…I want to get some quick impressions of them, things you recall. Monzon-Griffith? (Clancy trained Emile Griffith from his first amateur contest through his last—109th—pro fight.)

GC: Well, the second time they fought, I thought we had a perfect fight for him that night. And I thought Griffith won the fight, just by outworking Monzon. (Monzon was awarded a UD for the 15-rounder. Monzon also won their first encounter—TKO14.) As a matter of fact, Nino Benvenuti, who was a newspaperman for the fight…for a week, he wrote everyday how it was a disgrace, how Griffith really won the fight, and this and that. Again, Monzon pulled it out and won the fight.

ZL: I’m curious, where do you rate Monzon among the great middleweights?

GC: I never thought he was that great a fighter. I had (Rodrigo) Valdes fight him twice, too. Valdes had him on the deck, and that was also another decision that should have gone the other way. (Monzon by UD15 both times.)
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you got anything else that was said or any opinions on the subject yourself.
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It was sour g****s from Clancy's viewpoint in my opinion.
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Clancy too often felt the wrath of Monzon's steely determined gaze.
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Unlikely since Clancy's had plenty of fighters go down to greats or purported greats and not complained (you don't hear him denigrating Duran - quite the opposite).

Clancy's bang on with this, just like he is with pretty much everything, though he's a bit past his prime now. Clancy and Dundee calling Duran/De Jesus III, or Clancy and Tompkins: dream commentary team.
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It was sour g****s from Clancy's viewpoint in my opinion.
You might be right, but its strange because he's full of praise of Monzon in the Napoles fight commentary.
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He praises his physical attributes relative to a bloated up Lightweight. High praise indeed.
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He praises his physical attributes relative to a bloated up Lightweight. High praise indeed.
Where do you rate Monzon Hd 2 Hd at middleweight.
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Where do you rate Monzon Hd 2 Hd at middleweight.
You're barking up the wrong tree.
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You might be right, but its strange because he's full of praise of Monzon in the Napoles fight commentary.
His fighter got abused by Monzon but there was also something personal there. Anyone denying Monzon's greatness is either a) ignorant or b) promoting an agenda. A is not the case here. And i have heard Clancy denigrate Monzon on more than a few occassions.
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His fighter got abused by Monzon but there was also something personal there. Anyone denying Monzon's greatness is either a) ignorant or b) promoting an agenda. A is not the case here. And i have heard Clancy denigrate Monzon on more than a few occassions.
What other things have you heard him say,

I would'nt go as far as to say his fighters (Griffith, Valdez) got abused they where more than competive encounters.
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