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Old 03-30-2011, 12:02 AM   #1
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What are some examples of sneaky/clever tricks being used in action?
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Old 03-30-2011, 03:29 AM   #2
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Old 03-30-2011, 04:14 AM   #3
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The Bob Fitzsimmons cardigan pull.
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Old 03-30-2011, 04:31 AM   #4
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These videos are great

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4E2BEE8Ce70[/ame]
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81non05aKX4&feature=related[/ame]
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R78hdxpRfws&feature=related[/ame]
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Old 03-30-2011, 04:43 AM   #5
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I always liked Weaver drawing Carl Williams in by backing himself to the ropes after getting stung. So very few heavies can fight worth a damn once it's their backs on the ropes. But Weaver had big problems with mobility and moving targets. Once Williams stood in front of him and since he always held those hands low, it gives Weaver a nice window in there. And he took advantage of it.
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Old 03-30-2011, 09:38 AM   #6
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What are some examples of sneaky/clever tricks being used in action?
Reads like Arnold Cream / Montell Griffin to me , watch their fights to get your answer in the highest detail .
Cream had people walk into his punches .
Griffin used his shoulder to push Roid off him before tagging him well with a straight punch , not a foul for me , Jones was not clinch free even during his prime.
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Anything by Walcott or Archie

See Archiein the first second of round eleven versus Yvon Durrelle - he literally takes a big jump/leap outof his corner and stone cold freezes in ready stance when he lands and blatantly aims an obvious shot at the oncoming Durrelle and then..... pings him with it!!! Very cute - and very funny too
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Old 03-31-2011, 02:24 PM   #9
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Always liked the old trick of turning your opponent against the ropes and then blasting away with punches. Duran liked to do this along with many old timers. A young Hagler also attempted it against Bennie Briscoe but it didn't quite work out against the old veteran.

A good example:

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5Pw2elzBik[/ame]

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Old 03-31-2011, 02:40 PM   #10
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Those vids were good stuff A

Did you ever think about making a part 3 with some of the lesser known stylists and Canto, Starling, kalambay, Zapata etc.I was thinking about doing one myself recently, but i doubt i have the skill to do it justice.
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Old 03-31-2011, 02:56 PM   #11
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Yes but I haven't really had the free time to create any new videos recently. I've also gathered up a ton of new footage since then so it should be easier to make another part when I have the time.

With youtube not limiting the time of the videos nowadays part 3 could end up lasting very long as I've been thinking of putting pretty much every fine defensive artist that I can think of (and have film of) in there.
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Old 03-31-2011, 03:19 PM   #12
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Those vids were good stuff A

Did you ever think about making a part 3 with some of the lesser known stylists and Canto, Starling, kalambay, Zapata etc.I was thinking about doing one myself recently, but i doubt i have the skill to do it justice.
Very good idea!!
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Great post Meast, I hadn't seen that Charles clip before.


Griffin had some nice moves, but then his style was very unorthodox and really needed to emphasise its awkwardness as much as possible. Orlin Norris was an interisting recent fighter who was probably forced into developing a good degree of ring guile, a bout between Norris and James Toney at cruiser or Norris and Czyz would have been interisting.


As a class of fighters, I think that your right about the Archie Moore's, Walcott's and Ez. Charles all being particulalry crafty, and probably showing the best examples of what is largely now lost ring-craft. Of course, however great these fighters were, the Beau Jack's, Bob Montgomery's, Ike William's and Kid Gavilan's and others of that era would likly show at least as good proficiency in ring-craft.

Although to be fair, those era's (1900's-1960's) had the advantage of great trainers/teachers and a vast body of accrued knowledge, so that even 'crude' heavyweights like Marciano had been schooled enough by Goldman to be able to throw a feinted double left hook (feinted hook, then a thrown hook). Other than Lennox Lewis' hand-feints- which had more to do with keeping his 'dangerous' opponents at the end of jab and tentative about coming in, when recently have heavyweights thrown a purposeful feint?
The only heavy to use feints in recent times was Chris Byrd. And look how effective he was at it for a guy with not much power.
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Old 03-31-2011, 03:30 PM   #14
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Everyone knows feinting was a lost art after the 20s at the latest.
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5:16. Just beautiful. Winstone may well be my favorite pure boxer.

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