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Old 04-01-2011, 07:50 AM   #1
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Default Sam McVea vs Battling Jim Johnson 1910 (Speed Corrected)

very impressive footage uploaded recently by 'fightfilmguys'....

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pay6XBYfnRc[/ame]
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Old 04-01-2011, 09:00 AM   #2
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Might seem a silly question but why did some of the old school fighters hold their left arm so low and outstreched ? surely there is less to put behind the jab that way ?
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Old 04-01-2011, 09:03 AM   #3
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Might seem a silly question but why did some of the old school fighters hold their left arm so low and outstreched ? surely there is less to put behind the jab that way ?


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how low is vitali's left, some fighters prefer to fight that way old or modern
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Old 04-01-2011, 09:57 AM   #4
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Looks like your average tough man competition.
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Old 04-01-2011, 10:15 AM   #5
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Jack Sharkey looking explosive vs Jimmy Maloney:

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8TGgAuOfxs[/ame]
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Old 04-01-2011, 10:22 AM   #6
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I have to admit, I am unimpressed with Sam McVea in that film. Jack Sharkey looks very impressive though.
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Old 04-01-2011, 10:45 AM   #7
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thanks, and Im unimpressed with McVea too.....Look like a very crude fighter...
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Certainly in the light of the recent Langford-Jeannette finding, McVea's bout with Jim Johnson looks far less impressive in comparison. McVea did hang in there in a series with Langford and Jeannette, but it seems to be mainly because of his brute strength and power than anything else.

As for Sharkey, I always found him the most impressive looking boxer of the late 20's/early 30's era of heavyweight fighters, including Schmeling. He was like a lightweight/welterweight boxer of the era fighting at heavyweight.
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Old 04-01-2011, 10:54 AM   #9
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I have to admit, I am unimpressed with Sam McVea in that film. Jack Sharkey looks very impressive though.
It happened a lot during those decades. And Louis was a further evolutionary leap when he came along.
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Old 04-01-2011, 10:56 AM   #10
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As for Sharkey, I always found him the most impressive looking boxer of the late 20's/early 30's era of heavyweight fighters, including Schmeling. He was like a lightweight/welterweight boxer of the era fighting at heavyweight.
Yeah, he had some almost Naseem looking head movement in that clip. He looked quite good, he did.
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Dempsey looking savage in a sparring session, dusting off his poor opponent with a dynamite right hand:

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A valuable addition to our knowledge.
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Old 04-01-2011, 11:37 AM   #13
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you'll note the time span of 17 years,

Boxing too had an evolution from the turn of the century to the 20s and a leap again culminating in the mid 30s to late 50s, carring on through to today - however we have begun de-evolution since the late 80s/90s

likewise film technology and proper use of such technology likewise kept evolving!
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Sharkey looks great, though he seems a little overconfident of his speed and reflexes, using that upperbody movement for his defense. Small wonder he thought Ali was the second coming of... well, himself. Great footage.
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Dempsey looking savage in a sparring session, dusting off his poor opponent with a dynamite right hand:

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Interesting. Dempsey looks real sloppy and dirty, real friend of the sparring partner. Also, that looks very much to be the LA Coliseum, 5 years before the Olympics were hosted there. Why is there such a huge crowd? Surely not just for a sloppy Dempsey sparring session. Was this a sort of "half time show" to a larger sporting event?
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