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Journeyman
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Hagler is vastly overrated
Greb is overrated as well....WAY too overrated....like some serious nuthugging, obsessed, and worshipped type of overrated Toney and Hopkins beat Hagler at MW SRL, as talented as he is, handicapped matches to a sickening degree and is a diva Walcott beats prime Foreman 3/5 times |
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Hopkins would beat Monzon at MW
Hopkins would beat Tiger at MW Hopkins would beat LaMotta at MW Hopkins would beat SRR at MW Hopkins would beat Harold Johnson at LHW Hopkins would beat Loughran at LHW How controversial is that ?? |
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Hopkins isn't a top 10 Middleweight.
Pacquiao loses to most of the best in head to head matchups between 126-147. Packey McFarland was at least on a par with Gans, Leonard, and Duran. Howard Winstone had the best jab of all time, and was the best textbook pure boxing technician ever. De La Hoya wasn't a true great. Lennox Lewis isn't a top 10 Heavyweight, and is vastly overrated head to head. Harold Johnson's jab is a tad overrated. Tony Canzoneri was at least as good as Archie Moore. Hilario Zapata was the most talented overall defensive genius in the sport's history. Chang was every bit as good as Harada. Wifredo Gomez in his youth (up to the Zarate fight) was the most talented overall fighter I've ever seen. Last edited by El Bujia; 04-02-2011 at 12:32 AM. |
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Patrick
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harold johnson would **** hopkins up badly.
here's a few: Louis beats Ali in any fight series. He loses the first time and then masters him in the rematches. Langford beats Frazier head to head. Armstrong and Pacquiao are a bit lucky that the best guys they ran into were faded. |
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Harold Johnson is the best fighter ever from Philadelphia.
Not a single lightweight or junior welter in history could have consistent enough to have taken Julio Cesar Chavez's career path to perfect 100-0 in that era. Fighting Harada would beat Carlos Zarate. Harada is criminally underated. Thomas Hearns gives any pure boxer absolute fits (non-puncher) up to 175 lbs. Gregorio Peralta might be the toughest light heavyweight ever. Jack Johnson succeeds in any era. |
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Ok, hear we go. If Floyd and Manny fight, Floyd will win with ease. His fight with Judah will be tougher than his one with Pac.
SRL and Sweet Pea are just as skilled or even more skilled than SRR Rocky Marciano is the most overrated boxer of all time The only TRUE atgs in this era are Floyd, Pac, Hopkins, and RJJ. Duran atg ranking is to high. Floyd Mayweather is the second best defensive fighter of all time. |
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marciano loses to lewis bowe and the klitchkos but he beats every other heavy in history. Too much heart, stamina, just a relentless mother****er who wont stop till you drop, holyfields a pick em
tszyu would have destroyed mayweather mosley and de la hoya if they fought similar fashion too judah but maybe a bit longer roy jones greatest fighter head 2 head of all time les darcy pushes jack dempseys shit in tito trinidad stops hagler late hitman harding fittest fighter of all time anyone who rates fitz and those early guys who fought like that with the all time greats is abusing copious amounts of drugs dwight qawi story the biggest achievement against the odds in history |
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On just that one: Interestingly I rate them within five or six spaces of each other on my own greats list. Not controversial at all to me. They're both in my top ten of personal favorites, to admit a potential bias.
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