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View Poll Results: Arguello Vs Pep and Armstrong
Arguello Beats them both 2 9.52%
Arguello beats Pep but loses to Armstrong 3 14.29%
Arguello loses to Pep but beats Armstrong 2 9.52%
Arguello Loses to both 14 66.67%
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Old 04-04-2011, 12:41 PM   #1
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I just want to know how every1 thinks he does against Willie Pep at Featherweight and Armstrong at lightweight?
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Old 04-04-2011, 12:44 PM   #2
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I think he loses to both. Gets outboxed by Pep and uncomfortably crowded by armstrong. 2 worst style matchups for him ever though, so that sucks I guess.
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Old 04-04-2011, 12:48 PM   #3
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The question would be could Alexis' rein down as much leather on Pep as Saddler did?
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Old 04-04-2011, 12:56 PM   #4
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Arguello is simply better than Saddler who Pep struggled with because physically he was overpowered, well thats the same situation here, although Pep wasn't prime against Saddler. Pep has lots of speed, movement, defense to offset Arguello's physical advantages

As for Armstrong, he has so much range on him and a great uppercut, which Armstrong could be susceptable on the inside, on the outside he bosses Armstrong. Bascially thought that would be Arguello-Pryor again against a smaller, weaker, slower Pryor
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Old 04-04-2011, 01:00 PM   #5
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Arguello's very over-rated on here. How anybody thinks a fighter who was comfortably out-boxed by Vilomar Fernandez is going to get past Willie Pep is beyond me. He's probably physically overmatched against Armstrong too, as well as being pretty weak inside.
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Old 04-04-2011, 01:20 PM   #6
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He matches up far better with Armstrong, although I still wouldn't favor him.
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Old 04-04-2011, 01:35 PM   #7
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Arguello's very over-rated on here. How anybody thinks a fighter who was comfortably out-boxed by Vilomar Fernandez is going to get past Willie Pep is beyond me. He's probably physically overmatched against Armstrong too, as well as being pretty weak inside.
I thought that the Fernandez fight was pretty close. Also thought that he would have ko'ed him with 5 more stanzas.

Arguello has his weaknesses with boxer types no doubt, but KO'ing Pep is not out of the question. Sandy Saddler himself had weaknesses against boxer types...
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Old 04-04-2011, 01:57 PM   #8
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Pep UD Arguello
Armstrong TKO Arguello
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Old 04-04-2011, 08:56 PM   #9
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Thats how i se it to Pep ud, Armstrong tko 12.
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Old 04-04-2011, 10:00 PM   #10
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Arguello's very over-rated on here. How anybody thinks a fighter who was comfortably out-boxed by Vilomar Fernandez is going to get past Willie Pep is beyond me. He's probably physically overmatched against Armstrong too, as well as being pretty weak inside.
Agree, i, much as I llke Arguello.
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Old 04-04-2011, 10:47 PM   #11
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How anybody thinks a fighter who was comfortably out-boxed by Vilomar Fernandez is going to get past Willie Pep is beyond me.
Arguello wasn't "comfortably" outboxed at all, the fight could've gone either way.

You could just as well note that Pep's struggles with Saddler (particularly the way he was annihilated in their first fight) raises questions about how well his style works against a much taller, rangier boxer-puncher.
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Old 04-05-2011, 04:52 AM   #12
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Well Arguello's very different from Saddler. Saddler could cut off the ring and apply pressure and had a much more varied offensive arsenal, in contrast to Arguello who tended to just camp and wait for an opportunity to land a big bomb. He could also be very slow getting off. And as we all know, Pep was well past his best in the Saddler fights.

For the record I think I had Fernandez beating Arguello by a good few rounds - not that it matters particularly, since even struggling with a fighter of that level like he did doesn't exactly speak wonders for his chances against arguably the best mover ever.

Also, Arguello was still very green at 126.
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Old 04-05-2011, 08:49 AM   #13
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Arguello pressured Marcel and Escalera pretty well. Don't know if we can tell how far past prime Pep was against Saddler without adequate footage
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Old 04-07-2011, 06:21 AM   #14
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Arguello's very over-rated on here. How anybody thinks a fighter who was comfortably out-boxed by Vilomar Fernandez is going to get past Willie Pep is beyond me. He's probably physically overmatched against Armstrong too, as well as being pretty weak inside.
It wasn't a comfortable out-boxing it was a close fight and Arguello had definitely declined in some areas as he moved up in weight. He became less mobile and less inclined to pressure, as you say later, he tended to wait for his opportunities.

At Featherweight he faced a much better boxer than Fernandez, in Eernesto Marcel, and gave him a real good go, applying pressure nicely and getting his shots off. Although he was still abit out-maneuvered at times.

Also Arguello was very strong inside, in fact he is one of the strongest Featherweights around.

I think he loses both fights though.

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Well Arguello's very different from Saddler. Saddler could cut off the ring and apply pressure and had a much more varied offensive arsenal, in contrast to Arguello who tended to just camp and wait for an opportunity to land a big bomb. He could also be very slow getting off. And as we all know, Pep was well past his best in the Saddler fights.

For the record I think I had Fernandez beating Arguello by a good few rounds - not that it matters particularly, since even struggling with a fighter of that level like he did doesn't exactly speak wonders for his chances against arguably the best mover ever.

Also, Arguello was still very green at 126.
Disagree.
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Old 04-07-2011, 07:18 AM   #15
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These just arent good matchups for Alexis, man.

He loses to both. No trouble picking that.
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