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Old 04-20-2011, 03:42 PM   #46
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Higher than Spinks
Spinks jumped up around 20 pounds to take on one of the greatest heavyweights of all time, who was going through a period of dominance and Spinks beat him. I don't think there is a greater victory ever been had in the sport. When you link that to his run at 175, where he established himself as one of the greatest light-heavyweights of all time (in my opinion the best ever at that weight). Spinks was also something like the first light-heavyweight champion to win the heavyweight title since Charles I think.

Manny has some very good wins (more than Spinks) and is one of the greatest weight jumpers of all time (although he hasn't established himself as the best competitor at every weight). For a former flyweight to have held a (controversial) 154 strap is truly amazing. For him to have sustained such a long run of victories against very good competition and not lose is amazing.

I think its pretty close and I can't really decide.
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Old 04-20-2011, 03:43 PM   #47
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If he beats Mosley then Floyd, prolly 10-17-ish
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Old 04-20-2011, 04:54 PM   #48
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i wouldnt have langford in top ten as many of you do
he was a great p4p fighter. 5'6 and a half and started out at lightweight and ended up at heavyweight. Didn't get the title at heavyweight because Jack Johsnon was bullshitting him. He also fought a lot past his prime being blind in one eye and partially blind in the other
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Old 04-20-2011, 04:56 PM   #49
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Not really, thats a respectable list, I have no problem with that whatsoever. However as in the case I made, Pac can easily belong in that list and it wont be absurd either. ATG rankings are so subjective that fighters can reach a certain level and be easily in and out of that list, depending on how people view and perceive the fighters victories.
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Old 04-20-2011, 05:06 PM   #50
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Cant talk about the older guys, I wasn't there to get a good feel of how highly regarded their opponents were at the time.

However, lets compare Pac to someone like Ali/Duran who's fights and career I am very familiar with.

Ali's best wins: Foreman, Frazier, Liston.
Durans: SRL, Barkley, de Jesus/Buchanan?
Pac: MAB, Morales/Cotto, JMM.

Foreman at the time was king of HW but went on to have tough fights with Lyle and Young. I think MAB was an equally as good a FW as Foreman was a HW and p4p better than de jesus and Barkley. Again, the rest of the fighters are on about even terms. The smaller fighters achieved just as much as those HW's, just not as popular because of different era and lower weight class.

Was Duran beating Barkley in a very tough fight in Durans 5th championship weight class much more impressive than Pac demolishing Cotto in his 7th championship weight class?

On top of that they all have great achievements. Ali the first 3 time HW champ. Pac first 8 division champ, 4 weight lineal champ. They all have a host of top contenders and a few great fighters on their list.

Duran simply has SRL who is the best win on anyones list however in terms of other top fighters they beat, Pac has more. Take out SRL for example and Duran has wins over:

Buchanan
Esteban de Jesus
Davey Moore
Barkley
Cuevas

In his prime or whilst he was still one of the top fighters in the game he would have losses to De Jesus, Laing, Benitez and SRL.

Pac would have a loss to Morales and draw with JMM. He has those 2 early losses extremely early in career.

So we take out MAB, Pac's best win and we still have:
Cotto
Morales
JMM
Hatton
Ledwaba
Sasakul
Larios
ODLH
Clottey
Margarito


I dont think champs and former champs such as Larios/Margo/Sasakul etc are far off from the likes of Moore and Cuevas hence why I mentioned them.

As you can see, Duran is 6th on your list. Whether you agree or disagree, one can easily make a strong case for Pac having a better resume than Duran or equal, therefore a good reason to have Pac placed inside top 10.
I got what you saying, but Duran stayed at lightweight and cleaned out the division going 71-1 and then goes on to beat the best welterweight since Sugar Ray Robinson.
His later weight jumping and fighting after retiring blemishes his record a lot, but he took on a lot of risks and won some good fights.
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Old 04-20-2011, 05:18 PM   #51
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top 15, but won't argue with anyone putting him in the top 10.
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Old 04-20-2011, 05:37 PM   #52
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IF he ever beat Floyd, have to be top 10.
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Old 04-20-2011, 05:39 PM   #53
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I have him top20 now, edging top15. Beating Floyd convincingly pushes him up inside top15, edging top10.

it really depends how he beats him
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Old 04-20-2011, 05:46 PM   #54
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1. sugar ray robinson

2. muhammad ali

3. henry armstrong

4. joe louis

5. willie pepp

6. roberto duran

7. jack johnson

8. sam langford

9. manny pacquiao

10. harry greb

so not only would a win over manny solifie mayweather is one of the best top 10 boxer ever but also he would get ~ 60 million $. floyd must be realy scared of losing his 0.

Explain how Manny Paquiao is behind Sam Squat Langford? Langford the man with 32 losses!
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Explain how Manny Paquiao is behind Sam Squat Langford? Langford the man with 32 losses!
He fought half blind against guys who were a lot bigger than him. People like to wack off to what Manny has done, but Langford was the real killer
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Old 04-20-2011, 06:44 PM   #56
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He's top 30. Arguably top 25.
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Old 04-20-2011, 06:45 PM   #57
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He fought half blind against guys who were a lot bigger than him. People like to wack off to what Manny has done, but Langford was the real killer
Manny Pacquiao is a cross-eyed asian man. He'd have to wear Kareem Abdul Jabbar's goggles just to get up to half blind.
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Old 04-20-2011, 06:55 PM   #58
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If manny pacquiao beats floyd mayweather,
where would you rank him in the all time great list?
does he get into the top10?
I currently have him around the top 15. So if he beat mayweather where would you rank him.
id probably have him just behing SRL-Top 10.

Please dont make this into a Mayweather vs Pacquiao thread and yes i do see the irony, I just want to know your opinion on where you would rank him in ATG list if he beat a guy with Mayweahters ability.
Honestly I would rank him #2. And if he went and beat Martinez, Williams, or one of the big guys even if its a catch weight, I'd rank him #1 even above Sugar Ray Robinson.
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Honestly I would rank him #2. And if he went and beat Martinez, Williams, or one of the big guys even if its a catch weight, I'd rank him #1 even above Sugar Ray Robinson.
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Old 04-20-2011, 07:04 PM   #60
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If Pac beat Mayweather he would need to rank up there with the best fighters who ever lived, it would prove he is the total package capable of going up against any style.... Definitely top 10.
(I think May beats him tho)
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