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Top 10 139 45.13%
Top 15 73 23.70%
25=> 55 17.86%
25< 41 13.31%
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Old 04-20-2011, 07:06 PM   #61
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Explain how Manny Paquiao is behind Sam Squat Langford? Langford the man with 32 losses!


doesnt langford have over 150 wins?
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Old 04-20-2011, 08:21 PM   #62
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Somewhere in the top 50. Don't have a list so I'm not going to say "top 25" or "top 35." Rates higher than anybody of this era. That's all I'm sure of.
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Old 04-20-2011, 08:29 PM   #63
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I thought floyd is a cherry picker, past his prime and overrated and not even a top 20 ATG.

So how does pac beating the above make him a top 10 ATG?

Let's say we have pac between 15-20 right now, which i most certainly do not, but beating a past prime floyd propels him up 5 to 10 places? Really.

Where is floyd now on the ATG list.
much higher than a fraud like pacquiao
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Old 04-20-2011, 08:31 PM   #64
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top 20
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Old 04-20-2011, 08:33 PM   #65
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I'd rather wait until his career has finished but if he retired right now, top 15.
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Old 04-20-2011, 09:18 PM   #66
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you guys are not understanding just how exclusive top 25 really is. Its no slight on pacquiao at all. but top 25 is an immensely elite group.

having said that, beating floyd SHOULD get him into the top 25 conversation. i assume you mean p4p?
Actually im very aware of how exclusive that group is. Now many here would probably be suprised that im about to back up pac. As many times ill pick against him in HTH matchups. For example i think he'd be made for Sanchez at Fw,lose to Chavez at Jl,Lw,Jw, lose to Duran at any weight.. And HTH a number of WW would have beat him..

However considering his jump from Jr fly to Jm, and winnig titles in all those divisions.. I rank him very high in atg PFP list..... Not since Henry Armstrong(who i have 2nd) has any fighter come close to matching Pacs jump... And my guess is that most of us here will not ever see another fighter match that feat again. As of right now i have Pac around 10ish... No lower than 15... If he can beat Pac impressively he would easily be in my top10 . Have to remember alot of these greats are gonna be ranked much higher 20,30 years from now... When we are crticicizing the fighters of 2030s and saying they didnt make them like they used do... .. THats how it is the guys from the 70s,80s and even 90s are like boxing gods now but believe me they had their haters too back then.

That being said though i think Mayweather would beat him.

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Old 04-20-2011, 09:20 PM   #67
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I dont have the knowledge of boxing before the 60's to make a atg list, I would need to study it more and watch some fighters from the 50's /80's way better.
I will say this, pac is top 5 from the 80's till now
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Old 04-20-2011, 09:21 PM   #68
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Top 10 and if he beats either Mayweather or Martinez before he retires he has a strong case for #1 (yeah, laugh at me, call me a pactard, we'll talk again in 20 years when people gain a more objective view about the subject).
That is if he doesn't lose till he retires, a loss could obviously hurt his legacy.
But no way he falls out of the Top 25, no way.
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Old 04-20-2011, 09:47 PM   #69
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Top 10 and if he beats either Mayweather or Martinez before he retires he has a strong case for #1 (yeah, laugh at me, call me a pactard, we'll talk again in 20 years when people gain a more objective view about the subject).
That is if he doesn't lose till he retires, a loss could obviously hurt his legacy.
But no way he falls out of the Top 25, no way.
Agreed he could get kod by Mosely,Mayweather and Victor Ortiz and still have a top 25 spot all sewed up... Just based on everything hes already done.
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Top 10 and if he beats either Mayweather or Martinez before he retires he has a strong case for #1 (yeah, laugh at me, call me a pactard, we'll talk again in 20 years when people gain a more objective view about the subject).
That is if he doesn't lose till he retires, a loss could obviously hurt his legacy.
But no way he falls out of the Top 25, no way.
I can't see how beating ONE fighter would make him the GOAT, sorry, top 10 or not, you can't just jump that far in greatness over a single win!
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I'd rather wait until his career has finished but if he retired right now, top 15.
I would like to see your list very much!
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I can't see how beating ONE fighter would make him the GOAT, sorry, top 10 or not, you can't just jump that far in greatness over a single win!
Because there isnt a whole lot separating a big group of guys... Have you ever made up a list? If you have im sure you have wanted to switch them around many times. I found out that sometimes a guy at number 8 is kind of on par with a guy at 14 or 15. One win over an elite fighter from your time(and fellow atg) can make a big difference.
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I would like to see your list very much!
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Old 04-20-2011, 10:13 PM   #74
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Because there isnt a whole lot separating a big group of guys... Have you ever made up a list? If you have im sure you have wanted to switch them around many times. I found out that sometimes a guy at number 8 is kind of on par with a guy at 14 or 15. One win over an elite fighter from your time(and fellow atg) can make a big difference.
You are talking about the very best in history here, not a single division at the current time.
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Old 04-20-2011, 10:15 PM   #75
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not a bad list
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