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Old 07-01-2007, 02:23 PM   #16
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I have no problem with any of these lists. Of course, my honorable mention for hardest hitter goes to Tony Ayala. Pipino Cuevas and Bobby Czyz can definitely attest.

Hagler vs. Ayala would've been one of the greatest MW tussles of all-time.
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Old 07-01-2007, 02:30 PM   #17
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Just being a hard hitter is not the way to beat a prime marvin.....
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Old 07-01-2007, 02:50 PM   #18
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Ayala's immense talent was matched only by his rage.

Win, lose, or draw, I could definitely see Tony holding his own against Marvin.
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Old 07-01-2007, 04:39 PM   #19
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I dont agree with this. Haglers power was not at all extraordinary. There are a number of performances in his career when he has fighters looking on the brink of stoppage, and then it will take several more rounds of punishment before he is finally able to put them away.

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Taking clean shots from Hagler is not good for your health, he could really **** someone up.
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Old 07-01-2007, 05:10 PM   #20
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I dont agree with this. Haglers power was not at all extraordinary. There are a number of performances in his career when he has fighters looking on the brink of stoppage, and then it will take several more rounds of punishment before he is finally able to put them away.
I also don't believe Marv's hardest punches were extraordinarily powerful. It was his incredible ability to take a punch that allowed him to outslug far harder punchers than himself.

However, one of Hagler's Sunday punches was his right jab, and when a low risk jab is as deadly as Hagler's was, that fighter is certainly going to leave the impression of being a lethal puncher, especially with Marv's physical appearance. (Let's face it, did Tony Ayala look at all lethal before the bell even rang?) On a P4P basis, who had a harder jab than Hagler?
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Old 07-01-2007, 05:39 PM   #21
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McCallum has no right being in the list and Hagler should be outside it as well. Many bigger hitters. McCallum especially.
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Old 07-01-2007, 05:59 PM   #22
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Hagler had some viscious knockouts
Obel,Hamani,Lee, Hearns, and Monroe
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Old 07-01-2007, 06:24 PM   #23
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Hagler had some viscious knockouts
Obel,Hamani,Lee, Hearns, and Monroe
Oh, don't get me wrong, Marv had some spectacularly vicious knockouts. (I love the way Obel fell in sections from Marv's leaping right hook in their rematch. Shades of Patterson/Johansson II!) But Antuofermo rated Marv behind Cyclone Hart and Bennie Brisco in punching power (an assessment Hagler might agree with). Hearns also claimed before SRL/Hagler, that Ray was actually the harder puncher of the two, although nobody could take a punch like Marv. While Hagler had documented one punch knockout power in both hands, there's a question of whether or not he was even in the top five middleweights in punching power during the course of his own career, let alone all-time.

If Hagler had been able to bomb out SRL and Duran as Hearns did Duran, then it would be easier to make a case for Hagler belonging on a top five list.
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Old 07-02-2007, 07:32 AM   #24
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[quote=Duodenum]1) Stan Ketchel. The Michigan Assassin's knockdown of Jack Johnson may have been the hardest punch ever recorded on film by a boxer under the middleweight limit. Johnson failed to regain his feet on his first attempt to beat the count, and was so groggy that when he cold****ed Ketchel with his retaliatory right uppercut, he toppled forward over his 159 pound challenger.

Ketchel should be in but i don't think that after he was floored, Johnson was that groggy. He was so angry cause Ketchel disregarded a deal to take the fight to the limit that he threw everything he had in that punch nad therefore loosing his balance
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Old 07-02-2007, 07:34 AM   #25
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I have no problem with any of these lists. Of course, my honorable mention for hardest hitter goes to Tony Ayala. Pipino Cuevas and Bobby Czyz can definitely attest.

Hagler vs. Ayala would've been one of the greatest MW tussles of all-time.
Hagler would make Ayala look like a caraccident victim after this bout.
Easy money for Marvellous with Ayala way too small
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Old 07-02-2007, 07:37 AM   #26
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1 - John Mugabi
2- Julian Jackson
3- Thomas Hearns
4- Gerald Mcclellan
5- Nigel Benn
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Old 07-02-2007, 07:47 AM   #27
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1 - John Mugabi
2- Julian Jackson
3- Thomas Hearns
4- Gerald Mcclellan
5- Nigel Benn
Excellent choice
But not in that order

The Hawk
The Hitman
G-Man
Mugabi
Dark Destroyer
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Old 07-02-2007, 07:49 AM   #28
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Excellent choice
But not in that order

The Hawk
The Hitman
G-Man
Mugabi
Dark Destroyer
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Old 07-02-2007, 08:15 AM   #29
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What has Thomas Hearns done at 160 or 168 pounds to deserve high ranking among hardest hitters? Stopped Shuler and Roldan? Huh?
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Old 07-02-2007, 08:20 AM   #30
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Hearns' fights

at 160:
Ernie Singletary - decision
Jeff McCracken - ko
Murray Sutherland - decision
Marvin Hagler - lost
James Shuler - ko
Doug DeWitt - decision
Juan Domingo Roldan - ko
Iran Barkley - lost

at 168:
James Kinchen - decision
Sugar Ray Leonard - draw
Michael Olajide - decision

Only 3 KO wins out of 11 fights.
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