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Old 05-07-2011, 07:35 AM   #16
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Lewis never had the chin to beat Top class fighters who was at the top of their game.
Lewis has an underrated chin.

Lewis-VK
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Old 05-07-2011, 07:44 AM   #17
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Actually, I believe that Lennox Lewis would have been the ultimate problem for any of them...a focused, in shape Lewis, to be fair to Lewis.
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Old 05-07-2011, 07:46 AM   #18
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How can you go wrong with Ali? I think he's the least likely to lose to other greats. But then McVey might have a different interpretation in mind, I don't know. If he intended to ask which heavyweight in history would make all others look bad, then my answer would be the spoiler, Jersey Joe Walcott.
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Old 05-07-2011, 07:59 AM   #19
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Yeah, I have to go with Ali also. It can't be from bias...Frazier is my favorite heavyweight. ...Wait...maybe, in away that could be from bias. I would be tempted to have Louis and Holmes just after, jointly at 2. There are guys I feel could stop Louis, but would get out-pointed by Holmes or Ali (like Foreman), and guys I believe Louis could stop that Ali and Holmes probably wouldn't, when in their primes (like Frazier), who might be stylistically bad for Ali and Holmes.

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I hope I am not assuming too much, when I say that the majority of posters would probably pick Ali / Louis as their top two heavyweight Champs in whatever order.

Just to show I have no agenda here, may I say I would put Ali at no 1, and Louis at no 4,heresy? Possibly but Johnson [2], and Dempsey [3],are my picks.

In spite of these rankings however , I think Lennox Lewis ,because of his size ,boxing ability ,and power, may pose the greatest problems to the other linear heavyweight Champions.

I am English and may be accused of bias here,if so, may I say Lewis has often underwhelmed me in fights, too cautious by far .I much preferred Ali,Holmes etc ,and Dempsey is my favourite heavyweight performer to watch.

My question is which of the Champions do you think would give the most problems stylistically to the others?

Who would be the bogie man?

Hold, what you Yanks call ,the Indian sign over the others?

He would not necessarily have to be the greatest of the Champs ,imo.

Who in short, would post the most wins over the rest of the elite pantheon of dreadnoughts ?


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Old 05-07-2011, 08:00 AM   #20
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Actually, I believe that Lennox Lewis would have been the ultimate problem for any of them...a focused, in shape Lewis, to be fair to Lewis.
Quite prohibitive too is Lewis' bulk, obviously. I agree with the choice. He has that rare combination that makes less than great fighters look far worse than they really are.
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Old 05-07-2011, 08:55 AM   #21
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Kally's Heavyweight Peak H2H Percentage Odds

1. Muhammad Ali ('65 Patterson to '67 Folley).

60-40 against Tyson & Lewis.

65-35 against Holmes

70-30 against Holy

2. Mike Tyson ('86 Ribalta to '88 Spinks).

40-60 against Ali

55-45 against Holy (50-50 against version from Bowe II)

60-40 against Lewis

65-35 against Holmes

3. Lennox Lewis ('97 McCall II to '00 Tua).

40-60 against Ali & Tyson

55-45 against Holy (50-50 against version from Bowe II)

70-30 against Holmes

4. Evander Holyfield ('90 Buster to '93 Bowe II).

30-70 against Ali

45-55 against Lewis & Tyson (50-50 when Bowe II version)

50-50 against Holmes

5. Larry Holmes ('78 Shavers I to '82 Cobb).

50-50 against Holyfield

30-60 against Lewis

35-65 against Ali & Tyson
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Old 05-07-2011, 09:04 AM   #22
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Lewis & Holmes are vastly over rated, both would lose to most heavyweight champions pre2000.. Lewis never had the chin to beat Top class fighters who was at the top of their game. his best victories was against fighters who was on the downside of their careers
Holmes was a lot better than Lewis.
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Old 05-07-2011, 09:11 AM   #23
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I think Holmes and Lewis are about even. I think Holmes is the one who is less likely to have a bad day thatīs why he is higher.
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Holmes was a lot better than Lewis.
I think Lewis is a bad match-up for Holmes.
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I think Lewis is a bad match-up for Holmes.
I agree with this.
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Old 05-07-2011, 09:42 AM   #26
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Imagine what a prime Larry Holmes would have done against Mercer and McCall (guys Lewis lost/struggled with).
Holmes had some weak opposition is his own prime time but I have to assume he was a lot better than Lewis.
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Imagine what a prime Larry Holmes would have done against Mercer and McCall (guys Lewis lost/struggled with).
Holmes had some weak opposition is his own prime time but I have to assume he was a lot better than Lewis.
I think that could very well balance out with Lewis ripping through some of the guys Larry had trouble with, bringing to the table different faults and different strengths. Perhaps not completely balance out but make it quite close.
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Old 05-07-2011, 09:55 AM   #28
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If we are comparing difficulty to other champions posed with actual ATG great ranking, then i think that Prime Riddick Bowe would be very tough for anyone to beat.

I also agree with the calls made for Lennox Lewis. He is a big problem for anyone, and capable of beating anyone.
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Apart from the Big Two it's Sonny Liston and I think it's obvious personally.

The only person Liston loses to is Ali and possibly Louis.
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Kally's Heavyweight Peak H2H Percentage Odds

1. Muhammad Ali ('65 Patterson to '67 Folley).

60-40 against Tyson & Lewis.

65-35 against Holmes

70-30 against Holy

2. Mike Tyson ('86 Ribalta to '88 Spinks).

40-60 against Ali

55-45 against Holy (50-50 against version from Bowe II)

60-40 against Lewis

65-35 against Holmes

3. Lennox Lewis ('97 McCall II to '00 Tua).

40-60 against Ali & Tyson

55-45 against Holy (50-50 against version from Bowe II)

70-30 against Holmes

4. Evander Holyfield ('90 Buster to '93 Bowe II).

30-70 against Ali

45-55 against Lewis & Tyson (50-50 when Bowe II version)

50-50 against Holmes

5. Larry Holmes ('78 Shavers I to '82 Cobb).

50-50 against Holyfield

30-60 against Lewis

35-65 against Ali & Tyson
Sonny Liston would destroy Iron Mike, as would Foreman. Ali would stop him late as would Louis.
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