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Old 05-09-2011, 06:53 PM   #16
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Yes, there was only one thing you could call dominant in the 30's and that was called Joe Louis. And this was when the playing field was still not yet level, Louis was just so good he couldnt be denied.

And yes, the 40's certainly were.
Joe Louis was undoubtedly a dominant champion, but he was not typical of the era. This was an era with a top 10 dominated primarily by white heavyweights. Louis was arguably just a rogue data point. The same is also true of Harry Wills.

There were a lot more good black heavyweights around in Jack Johnsons day than in either of these eras. This ios not a linear trend we are looking at.
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Yes, it was very much a black dominated division, but still, the least black dominated division out of all the eras since the colour line was broken
You must hate modern heavyweight boxing Pachilles...

Jeffries would do fine in the 50's. A lineal champ for sure if he was in his prime. Many felt heavyweight boxing was in decline in the 50's as many of the top contenders had numerous losses not only to each other, but in many cases to Joruneyman. See Walcott and Valdes. An Older versions of Charles and Moore were competitive in the era. Lastarza was decent enough. Marciano did not stick around for most of the 50's, and Liston came around at the tail end but wasn't champion until the 60's
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So with the 30's, 40's, 50's, 60's, 70's, 80's and 90's, do you concede that they were heavily dominated by black fighters?

Or is my point completely baseless because in the worst HW era since the 20's, the 00's, two white giants reign(one of which was made to look like pizza by the aged, ready to retire champion of the previous era)
Would you concede an entire, very large talent pool of potential heavyweights (coming from a stock of folks who tend to go rather large) was prohibited from competing in the division before the 1990's?
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You must hate modern heavyweight boxing Pachilles...

Jeffries would do fine in the 50's. A lineal champ for sure if he was in his prime. Many felt heavyweight boxing was in decline in the 50's as many of the top contenders had numerous losses not only to each other, but in many cases to Joruneyman. See Walcott and Valdes. An Older versions of Charles and Moore were competitive in the era. Lastarza was decent enough. Marciano did not stick around for most of the 50's, and Liston came around at the tail end but wasn't champion until the 60's
No i dont hate modern boxing but ive got nowhere near the interest in it i had in the 90's. Fights are so few and far between ive lost interest. Basically, i only watch the biggest fights.
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