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Old 11-28-2007, 03:25 PM   #1
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Default 20 best Europeans p4p

I start with my list in no order, I surely forgot someone like everytime, but you can say it normally:


Jimmy Wilde
Marcel Cerdan
Jackie Paterson
Lou Bogash
Pete Sanstol
Max Schmeling
Georges Carpentier
Lennox Lewis
Nino Benvenuti
Ingemar Johansson
Ted "Kid" Lewis
Duilio Loi
Joe Calzaghe
Bruno Arcari
Battling Nelson
Freddie Welsh
Ken Buchanan
Naseem Hamed
Laszlo Papp
Pedro Carrasco


What´s your list?
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Old 11-28-2007, 04:00 PM   #2
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Where's Guido Trane?
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Old 11-28-2007, 04:09 PM   #3
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Damn, Europe really hasn't produced much.
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Old 11-28-2007, 04:13 PM   #4
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Luis Kaplan and Bennie Bass deserve a mention. Two tough relentless brawlers/swarmers in IBHOF.
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Old 11-28-2007, 04:19 PM   #5
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We Brits are many things, but we are not European in my mind!

My Top 10 European and United Kingdom fighters:


10 Jimmy McLarnin
9 Marcel Cerdan
8 Jack McAuliffe
7 Rinty Monaghan
6 Lennox Lewis
5 Nino Benvenuti
4 Jim Driscoll
3Georges Carpentier
2 Bob Fitzsimmons
1 Jimmy Wilde

Mentions: Jackie Paterson, Kid Williams, Kid Kaplan, Freddie Welsh, Naseem Hamed, Battling Nelson, Ken Buchanan, Kid Berg, Dulio Loi, Kid Lewis, Jack Dempsey, Marcel Thil, Joe Calzaghe, Dariusz Michalczewski, Max Schmeling and Ingemar Johansson
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Old 11-28-2007, 04:21 PM   #6
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Perhaps someone should start a thread on best fighters from Novascotia.
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Old 11-28-2007, 04:25 PM   #7
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Carpentier doesn't belong to #3. One of the most overated fighters of all time. Besides, he should have got two more losses, for Gunboat Smith and Ted Lewis fights.
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Old 11-28-2007, 04:28 PM   #8
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Carpentier doesn't belong to #3. One of the most overated fighters of all time. Besides, he should have got two more losses, for Gunboat Smith and Ted Lewis fights.
I had him at #1 a few months back.
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Old 11-28-2007, 04:32 PM   #9
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He clearly lost the Gunboat fight on TKO, only saved by his manager, who used his influence to rule it a foul. And in Lewis fight it was an actual foul, hitting on a break. Throw these two "wins" out and he's left with almost nothing.
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Old 11-28-2007, 05:00 PM   #10
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Where's Guido Trane?

Did you see his fight with Foreman?
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Old 11-28-2007, 05:38 PM   #11
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Excluding the likes of McLarnin, McAuliffe, Dundee, Kaplan, etc. :



1. Jimmy Wilde
2. Jim Driscoll
3. Bob Fitzsimmons
4. Duilio Loi
5. Owen Moran
6. Ted Kid Lewis
7. Ken Buchanan
8. Nino Benvenuti
9. Jackie Kid Berg
10.Freddie Welsh
11.Marcel Cerdan
12.Lennox Lewis
13. Benny Lynch
14. Georges Carpentier
15. Battling Nelson
16. Pete Sanstol
17. Marcel Thil
18. Lou Bogash
19. Salvatore Burruni
20. Sumbu Kalambay

Others there abouts:
Bruno Arcari
Rinty Monaghan
Max Schmelling
Jim Watt
Joe Calzaghe
Ricky Hatton
Naseem Hamed
Lloyd Honeghan
Dariusz Michelczewski

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Old 11-28-2007, 05:50 PM   #12
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Excluding the likes of McLarnin, McAuliffe, Dundee, Kaplan, etc. :



1. Jimmy Wilde
2. Jim Driscoll
3. Bob Fitzsimmons
4. Duilio Loi
5. Owen Moran
6. Ted Kid Lewis
7. Ken Buchanan
8. Nino Benvenuti
9. Jackie Kid Berg
10.Freddie Welsh
11.Marcel Cerdan
12.Lennox Lewis
13. Benny Lynch
14. Georges Carpentier
15. Battling Nelson
16. Pete Sanstol
17. Marcel Thil
18. Lou Bogash
19. Salvatore Burruni
20. Sumbu Kalambay

Others there abouts:
Bruno Arcari
Rinty Monaghan
Max Schmelling
Jim Watt
Joe Calzaghe
Ricky Hatton
Naseem Hamed
Lloyd Honeghan
Dariusz Michelczewski


Excellent list, I forgot for example Fitz...
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Old 11-28-2007, 05:54 PM   #13
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Excellent list, I forgot for example Fitz...
Haha, and Moran and Lynch!

Don't worry, I couldn't have thought up half the names without your list (and the other half without T's)
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Old 11-28-2007, 05:56 PM   #14
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Excluding active fighters (need a few years' hindsight to judge them properly), I think Ken Buchanan was the best. If not him, then Nino Benvenuti or Ted Kid Lewis.
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Old 11-28-2007, 05:56 PM   #15
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Haha, and Moran and Lynch!

Don't worry, I couldn't have thought up half the names without your list

You´re right, the FW Lynch is definitely a p4p greatest European, his fight with Kane was surely a great fight, which I would like to see...
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