Pick a quality you think is underrated or overlooked in an ATG or personal favorite. - Page 2

MAG1965 · 05-17-2011, 02:27 PM

I think a facet overlooked is beating ATG fighters. I think it is a must that a great fighter beat other greats. It is akin to an NBA player having many championships. It just proves they can perform against the best. Although I do think rings in the NBA are overrated, it does help.

Bokaj · 05-17-2011, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by gooners!!

Roy Jones was a very smart fighter, you dont get by as long as he did by fighting with your hands down, throwing power punches without having created your openings with the jab, unless you have an intuitive sense for what your doing in that ring.

Something that gets overlooked with Roy, is his footwork, its easy to talk about his handspeed, but that's irrelevant if you cant get your feet into the right positions to let your hands go, and because Roy didn't set his punches up, its even more impressive that he was able to get his feet into those positions, to land, and not get hit back.

Roy had the best footwork since SRL imo.

You were doing good until that last sentence.

Bokaj · 05-17-2011, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Bogotazo

Lots of times a fighter can get overly criticized for a certain dynamic of the game, or wrongly interpreted as relying on other aspects to make up for it. List some you think don't get enough mention.

For me:

Roy Jones Jr. : technical ability and Ring IQ. He was more than athleticism and new how to set traps and control the distance while punching with great torque and form.

Juan Manuel Marquez: Defense. His early days he was quite elusive, and even now he is constantly ad******g his game for younger pressure fighters and shows good head movement and defensive body positioning.

Mosley: Boxing IQ. Sure, he wasn't a master boxer, but he was not a dumb fighter and new how to lure boxers into dropping their guard or falling into place for a counter-punch. It often looks like he's outspeeding a lot of fighters but he puts them into position with proper footwork and smarts.

Nicolino Locche: Toughness. While he was a defensive master, Locche took a fair share of punishment against the likes of Cervantes for example. When kept at the end of those long hard punches, Locche showed he was not defensive out of fear or weakness of constitution.

Duran: Patience. It's hard to ever underrate Duran since all aspects of his game have been gratuitously praised, but as a personal characteristic in the ring, Duran showed the patience to wait for the right opening for an engagement of aggression or counter (usually the right hand.) His timing in circumstances where he couldn't control the space in close (Hagler comes to mind) showcase the calm of a veteran fighter and natural thinker. As he said "If you don't use your head in the ring you're a piece of shit." Even against Hagler, his cool under fire and technical prowess showed even a past-prime Duran is better than most fighters who ever lived.

Good post.

I think Ali gets even more underrated than Roy in terms of technical quality, though. Those that try to put him in the same category as Hamed should be banned for at least two months! A week for labeling him with Roy even.

Bokaj · 05-17-2011, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by MAG1965

I think a facet overlooked is beating ATG fighters. I think it is a must that a great fighter beat other greats. It is akin to an NBA player having many championships. It just proves they can perform against the best. Although I do think rings in the NBA are overrated, it does help.

Here Leonard is da shit. Beating fighters of the quality and differing styles of Hearns, Hagler, Benitez and Kalule... That's not bad at all.

bodhi · 05-17-2011, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Bokaj

Here Leonard is da shit. Beating fighters of the quality and differing styles of Hearns, Hagler, Benitez and Kalule... That's not bad at all.

I don´t think Kalule is an atg. You forgot Duran though. But even then Robinson, B. Leonard, Gans have covered that territory as well.

Bokaj · 05-17-2011, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by bodhi

I don´t think Kalule is an atg. You forgot Duran though. But even then Robinson, B. Leonard, Gans have covered that territory as well.

No Kalule isn't an ATG, but a very good fighter. As for Duran, I think that was more about Duran losing than Leonard winning. I hate saying so, but the only thing that fight really proved was that Duran was capabable of the worst quitting imaginable.

bodhi · 05-17-2011, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Bokaj

No Kalule isn't an ATG, but a very good fighter. As for Duran, I think that was more about Duran losing than Leonard winning. I hate saying so, but the only thing that fight really proved was that Duran was capabable of the worst quitting imaginable.

Yeah, Kalule was a good fighter. A bit overrated on here though.

You have a point. Nevertheless this is a win for Ray and should be counted as such. And that says me, a guy wearing Duran T-shirts and stuff

05-17-2011, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by bodhi

Yeah, Kalule was a good fighter. A bit overrated on here though.

You have a point. Nevertheless this is a win for Ray and should be counted as such. And that says me, a guy wearing Duran T-shirts and stuff

The German always has 2 get technical .
not being racist . Hitler was 1 gr8 technician . gr8 representation of
1 country

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubSTSICa7y8[/ame]

bodhi · 05-17-2011, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by henrycooper-RIP

The German always has 2 get technical .
not being racist . Hitler was 1 gr8 technician . gr8 representation of
1 country

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Not enough guts to post this with your real account? Chicken.

05-17-2011, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by bodhi

Not enough guts to post this with your real account? Chicken.

it is a gr8 song

i thought u wud like the video

bodhi · 05-17-2011, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by henrycooper-RIP

it is a gr8 song

i thought u wud like the video

Chicken.

Seamus · 05-17-2011, 04:46 PM

Judgement and control of distance.

05-17-2011, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by bodhi

Chicken.

madbroismad guess u germans love those ,
chickens .
must like to torture them aswell ,
like the innocent Jewish People .
wud have liked to see Benny Leonard kick ur ass .

bodhi · 05-17-2011, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by henrycooper-RIP

madbroismad guess u germans love those ,
chickens .
must like to torture them aswell ,
like the innocent Jewish People .
wud have liked to see Benny Leonard kick ur ass .

Chicken.

05-17-2011, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by bodhi

chicken.

u must like theose chikcens
NAZI

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MAG1965 P4P King East Side VIP Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Dallas,Texas. Posts: 18,301 vCash: 1010	Re: Pick a quality you think is underrated or overlooked in an ATG or personal favori I think a facet overlooked is beating ATG fighters. I think it is a must that a great fighter beat other greats. It is akin to an NBA player having many championships. It just proves they can perform against the best. Although I do think rings in the NBA are overrated, it does help.
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Seamus Undisputed Champion East Side VIP Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Lisboa, Portugal Posts: 10,111 vCash: 1000	Re: Pick a quality you think is underrated or overlooked in an ATG or personal favori Judgement and control of distance.
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