BJ Penn v Shinya Aoki

[Beekeeper]

Originally Posted by Stoo

Gilbert Melendez.........

You already know my views on this fight

[Stoo]

Originally Posted by Beekeeper

You already know my views on this fight

Well that's true, but what was false was that he hasn't had the opportunity to face better opposition. I was merely correcting you, again

[196osh]

Nothing to say about Garcia?

[Beekeeper]

Originally Posted by 196osh

Are you saying a gogoplata is a "better" submission than a RNC?

You will have to tell Marcelo Garcia that:

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Yes it is, far more challenging

So you want to dissect all of BJs grappling losses? The only reason you put up a grappling match is because you cannot argue with his MMA career,

So.... whatever

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[Beekeeper]

Originally Posted by Stoo

Well that's true, but what was false was that he hasn't had the opportunity to face better opposition. I was merely correcting you, again

I meant Hughes is better than Melendez imbecile

[196osh]

Actually its because you make excuses for every loss he has, then act like he could submit BJ Penn.

Who is world reknowned as being a total prodigy of BJJ, he won the Mundials after 4 years and didn't drop a point. So asserting that Aoki could sub him when he hasn't subbed anybody near his level is just an assertion, and the fact he has not subbed a truley high level grappler suggests he couldn't.

Particularly when BJ is a better grappler in mma than any fighter he has ever fought.

[Stoo]

Originally Posted by Beekeeper

Yes it is, far more challenging

So you want to dissect all of BJs grappling losses? The only reason you put up a grappling match is because you cannot argue with his MMA career,

So.... whatever

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He's lost to Sakurai twice. He was left crying at ringside. He looked like an absolute mug against Gilbert, and his best win is Alvarez and Hansen, who already KHTFO Ive asked you to name his best win and you cant/wont
That MMA career?

[Stoo]

Originally Posted by Beekeeper

I meant Hughes is better than Melendez imbecile

So your admitting that BJ is better?

[Beekeeper]

Originally Posted by 196osh

Actually its because you make excuses for every loss he has, then act like he could submit BJ Penn.

Who is world reknowned as being a total prodigy of BJJ, he won the Mundials after 4 years and didn't drop a point. So asserting that Aoki could sub him when he hasn't subbed anybody near his level is just an assertion, and the fact he has not subbed a truley high level grappler suggests he couldn't.

Particularly when BJ is a better grappler in mma than any fighter he has ever fought.

Great, fair statement, you are entitled,

but here is a list of fighters who have never been submitted before facing Aoki:

Jason Black
Kastsuhiko Nagata
Eddie Alvarez
Mizuto Hirota

On BJs level? no, but not a bad list

[Beekeeper]

Originally Posted by Stoo

So your admitting that BJ is better?

again, refer to my views on the Melendez fight

[Stoo]

Originally Posted by Beekeeper

Great, fair statement, you are entitled,

but here is a list of fighters who have never been submitted before facing Aoki:

Jason Black
Kastsuhiko Nagata
Eddie Alvarez
Mizuto Hirota

On BJs level? no, but not a bad list

That's a terrable list, Id get the edit in before somene quotes it....

[196osh]

Submitting people not on BJs level does not give a justification that Aoki would submit BJ.

What is your justification for thinking he would submit the best grappler he has ever faced when he has failed to submit inferior grapplers than BJ?

[Stoo]

Originally Posted by Beekeeper

again, refer to my views on the Melendez fight

He's gonna buttscoot his way to victory?

[Beekeeper]

Originally Posted by 196osh

Submitting people not on BJs level does not give a justification that Aoki would submit BJ.

What is your justification for thinking he would submit the best grappler he has ever faced when he has failed to submit inferior grapplers than BJ?

Well BJ has failed to KO fighters on Aoki's level so what do you have to say about that?

[Stoo]

Originally Posted by Beekeeper

Well BJ has failed to KO fighters on Aoki's level so what do you have to say about that?

Name them