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Old 05-22-2011, 10:07 AM   #31
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As I said 3-0-1 over the 2 & 3 in the division opposed to 2-3-1 over the 1,3,4 in the division is really all there is to say about it, and writing 'real holes' isnt really making a case quite simply

They both have plenty of sub par fights on their records, and arguing which ones are the worst is ignoring the main points above, Fedor has both the better wins and probably the more sub par ones. Point is he totally owned Nog twice, so he fact Nog beat so many good guys is an testament to how good Fedor is.

Nog had to beat a lot of tough guys and did. Why did he have to beat them? To get a shot at the Champion.
Fedor beat Nog twice.

Outwith that, Nog has a deeper, stronger and better resume.

On that basis, I say Fedor is the better fighter but Nog has the better resume.

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Old 05-22-2011, 11:20 AM   #32
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GSP and it isn't even close.
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Old 05-22-2011, 11:25 AM   #33
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I don't see what's so wrong with saying Big Nog has fought better opposition than Fedor. Fedor is the greater fighter and had a more impressive carrer, but it's perfectly feasible to think that Nog fought better guys.
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Old 05-22-2011, 11:28 AM   #34
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Fedor beat Nog twice.

Outwith that, Nog has a deeper, stronger and better resume.

On that basis, I say Fedor is the better fighter but Nog has the better resume.

IMHO.
Im starting to agree with you tbh fella, never really thought about it before but Id say Nog's is probably better. He had to beat the top contenders to get a shot at the belt< and his run in the UFC is better than fedor post pride
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Old 05-22-2011, 02:14 PM   #35
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how is that?
Because its filled with shit fighters he fought during his peak years. For the CroCops and Nogueiras who had Zulu, Middleweight Lindland and some Japanese cans.
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Old 05-22-2011, 02:24 PM   #36
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More wins over more top fighters IMO. I love Fedor as a fighter and think he is the GOAT, but Nog's resume is something special.

By the time Fedor was feasting on Hong Man Choi and Matt Lindland, Nog was beating Josh Barnett and Fabricio Werdum FFS.

Nog's win res:

Crocop
Barnett
Kharitonov
Mark Coleman in '01
Fabricio Werdum
Bob Sapp
Sylvia
Couture
Schilt
Ricco Rodriguez
Henderson
Herring
Goodridge
V Overeem
Jeremy Horn

Bobb Sapp? you bloddy sap
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Old 05-22-2011, 02:30 PM   #37
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Bobb Sapp? you bloddy sap
You obviously havent watched the fight
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Old 05-22-2011, 03:05 PM   #38
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You obviously havent watched the fight
Oh my dear friend i have, Bobby boy was a 350 pound ****ing power freak...far stronger than Brock Lesnar........and it was an awesome display by Nogueria as he showed BJJ can overcome brawn....he was thrown on the floor numerous times.

Besides that fight, mr Sapp has lost so many times now, and been shown to be your typical bully that in all honesty....if ur saying that he is a good name on anyone resume then ur a bloody sap.
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Oh my dear friend i have, Bobby boy was a 350 pound ****ing power freak...far stronger than Brock Lesnar........and it was an awesome display by Nogueria as he showed BJJ can overcome brawn....he was thrown on the floor numerous times.

Besides that fight, mr Sapp has lost so many times now, and been shown to be your typical bully that in all honesty....if ur saying that he is a good name on anyone resume then ur a bloody sap.
Nah fella didnt mean to offend, but for a grappler like Nog, that weight advantage is difficult to overcome, and this was before the days Sapp realised he gets paid the same for taking one punch as opposed to 10. Not tryna say Sapp is anything he isnt, but at the time for a grappler without much ko power, Sapp who was confident back then is a stylistic nightmare.
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Oh my dear friend i have, Bobby boy was a 350 pound ****ing power freak...far stronger than Brock Lesnar........and it was an awesome display by Nogueria as he showed BJJ can overcome brawn....he was thrown on the floor numerous times.

Besides that fight, mr Sapp has lost so many times now, and been shown to be your typical bully that in all honesty....if ur saying that he is a good name on anyone resume then ur a bloody sap.
Irrelevant. Back then the fight was seen as VERY significant. Sapp was coming off wins in the K-1 over Ernesto Hoost and PRIDE fought hard to get that match made. Those that are saying it is now insignificant either haven't been watching MMA long enough, are record surfing over at Sherdog, or using his current form as a means of discrediting the bout. None of the aforementioned is a valid way of assessing the significance of that fight or Sapp as an opponent back then.
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Because its filled with shit fighters he fought during his peak years. For the CroCops and Nogueiras who had Zulu, Middleweight Lindland and some Japanese cans.
Don't cherry pick. Why didn't you pick Randleman, Herring, Schilt, Coleman, Fujita, Arona and even Sobral?
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Im starting to agree with you tbh fella, never really thought about it before but Id say Nog's is probably better. He had to beat the top contenders to get a shot at the belt< and his run in the UFC is better than fedor post pride


I wouldn't argue that Nog's best wins are better, because they aren't.

But nor do I see the argument that overall Fedor's resume is as strong, because it isn't.
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Mirko Filipovic
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Mirko Filipovic
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I don't see an argument for Liddell, considering his wins to losses ratio in big fights.

I don't see an argument for Fedor, because outwith his big two opponents (Nog & CC) his resume does not have the depth.

Hendo is a fair shout, but I don't see his res matching that of Big Nog or GSP.
Good morning, sports fans. Open your knees and feel the breeze, sit back and smoke your pipe, cos I’m here to attack the propaganda with Team Takeover at my back, tweaking the nipples of the MMA world.

It seems only fitting that in my first lyrical rampage at LowKick – bastion of MMA news and features – I should start with the Great One. The big cheese, the dog’s bollocks, the crème de la crème of the sport. Yes, I am referring to a pudgy, prematurely bald Russian man. Why waste article uno on some sniveling mediocrity? Why be content with anything less than the best? Better than all the rest? Better than anyone? Anyone I’ve ever met…
*Tina Turner need not apply for royalties. I’m penniless, sweetheart…*
OK, the introductions are made, the pipe is laden with Drum tobacco, so let the festivities begin. This is the point where the posters of Sherdog, MMALinker and all the other Mixed Martial Arts cesspools of stupidity need to remain silent, while the adults speak. Because the subject I plan to spit my prose all lyrical like upon, is the very subject that these thousands of dribbling infants have been whining over across every large MMA forum for the past two years: Fedor and the UFC.
Yes, Fedor, his legacy, and the looming, sinister presence of the UFC – our beloved American organization that supposedly has the best interests of the sport’s worldwide growth in mind, with every event, every press release and every new conquest… yet, despite their well-being and benevolence for all things MMA, they (for some strange reason) make it their modus operandi to downgrade and attack the legacy of the finest professional fighter to ever lace up the gloves in mixed grappling and striking combat; Fedor “The Last Emperor” Emelianenko.
And that is criminal.
UFC President dDana White, continually makes ludicrous claims that Fedor is NOT p4p material, nor is he a top 5 heavyweight. Worse, he mindlessly spat out this misinformation PRIOR to Fedor’s first ever loss, after a decade of dominance! When his own “top heavyweights” have not faced each other to prove their greatness, and nor have they beaten dangerous fighters that by consensus are sufficiently skilled enough to make a legitimate challenge to Fedor. Yet, they STILL make absurd public statements downplaying Fedor, the UFC and Dana come off like jealous, jilted lovers. It is sad that the President of the world’s (sadly) largest MMA organization is such an immature man, that in the interests of public relations and UFC propaganda, he will not only insult Fedor personally on ESPN radio, but will also happily tarnish the career and legacy of this sport’s best fighter.


Sadder still, my friends; there are tens of thousands of fans who happily ingest and swallow all this misinformation, then spread it like truth. It’s like a retard-friendly game of Chinese whispers.
Allow me, dear reader, to review the logic and context of the claim – made by Zuffa LLC, and duly repeated by an entire generation of brainwashed Americans who “train UFC” – the claim that Fedor Emelianenko, the man who imperiously stood atop the heavyweight mountain for seven long years is “ducking” the UFC.
(PS – if you have EVER even suggested that this claim is feasible, f*ck your life…)
Lets take a look at Fedor’s career, where he is now, and what exactly it is that he is “ducking” compared to the men he has already fought, could potentially fight, and will definitely wage war against in the cage.
Pride Fighting Championships are considered by many to be the very pinnacle of Mixed Martial Arts (read my history of the org at [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]) Emelianenko entered the Japanese promotion after a successful introduction to MMA with Rings, as an undersized heavyweight but with a lethal combination of outstanding throws and clinch, dangerous hands and a tremendous overall submission game. He duly triumphed over the future GOAT of K-1, Semmy “High Tower” Schilt; the most lethal lanky striker to live. If only Pride knew at the time they were essentially promoting a fight between the #1 All Time Greats of two different combat sports.
Soon into his Pride career, he earned a Heavyweight title shot against the consensus Second Greatest Of All Time: Rodrigo Nogueira. Nog is a Brazilian man who not only boasts a wealth of BJJ and submission grappling wizardry, he is a man who survived having a truck run over his chest as a kid, to become a Vale Tudo world heavyweight champion. That makes Nogueira tougher than Dan Quinn believes HIMSELF to be!
Fedor spent most of the fight either throwing Nog like a rag doll, pounding his face into the mat, or even Ground’n’Pounding him from within Nogueira’s guard. At the time, it was hands down THE most dangerous guard in the sport. That is what Fedor achieved, to become the Pride HW champion. No one would ever claim that title again.
Fedor defeated Nogueira again. He blew through a procession of former and future champions, from a variety of orgs. He took on and defeated K1 World Grand Prix champions, and ADCC submission grappling masters, Olympic Gold Medallist judoka’s and MMA champions of Pride and the UFC. He beat the other feared heavyweight Pride had to offer, the former K-1 terminator who ran the gauntlet of fire just to earn his Superfight with Fedor; Mirko “CroCop” Filipovic, the deadliest striker as yet seen in the sport. Fedor beat him in his own domain; out-striking him, forcing him onto the backfoot, and controlling the pace of the fight.
Fedor, quite simply, could not be touched.
I could be pedantic, and run through the rest of Fedor’s Pride career, but we all know it by heart; thanks to the dribbling, users on Sherdog forums, who posted their “expert analysis” of that career across the forums, explaining to each and every one of us exactly why each and every single win of Fedor’s was “overrated”.
Fedor defeating Nogueira again = overrated.

Fedor beating Mirko “Cro Cop” Filipovic = overrated.
Fedor being 7-0 (currently) against UFC champions = overrated.
Fedor having defeated UFC champions, Olympians, Pride champs, K-1 champions, Grand Prix winners in both K-1 and MMA (Pride), ADCC champs, Rings champs, top 10 opponents and badass mother****ers alike = vastly, vastly overrated.
All that is overrated! Because we all know – Fedor is scared of the post-2008 UFC “New Breed of Heavyweight!!” It’s a fact, sons!
Brock Lesnar, Shane Carwin, Frank Mir, Todd Duffee, Junior Dos Santos, and Cain Velasquez are the names that were thrown at each and every fan that – obviously, in their right mind – happened to support the Greatest of all Time. But hold on… tell me, these are the guys that happened to usurp the top dogs of the UFC circa 2009, yes? Well, when Fedor was first accused of avoiding the UFC after the demise of Pride (mid 2007) the three top heavyweights were Tim Sylvia (champion), Randy Couture (who then beat Tim), and Andrei Arlovski (had been champion previously).
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