*ESB MMA Prediction League: UFC 130: Rampage vs. Hamill**May 28th**

[sugarngold]

In boxing if you fall forward on your face the ref doesn't even have to count.

[greathamza]

Originally Posted by Kittikasem

Yup. Well, he may still have been conscious, but he was flat on the ground in no position to continue, so to me that is a KO.

with all due respect a KO means Knocked Out = lights out/asleep/unconscious but i understand what you are coming from too.

[Stoo]

Originally Posted by greathamza

he was tired as hell and that was in the late 2nd round if my memory serves me right and if you watched the 2nd round you could see how ****ing gassed he was, it took his strength just to stand up.
yes he got rocked and dropped but was he out?

Yeah, he was so totally unhurt by Andre's punches he tried to tie the ref's shoe lace for him

[greathamza]

Originally Posted by Stoo

Yeah, he was so totally unhurt by Andre's punches he tried to tie the ref's shoe lace for him

im not saying he wasnt hurt

[caleb_forrest_g]

Rampage TKO round 3
Mir UD
Brown TKO round 2
Alves UD
Stann KO Round 2


Torres UD
Grove round 2 submission (rear naked choke)

WAR STANN

[Stoo]

Originally Posted by greathamza

im not saying he wasnt hurt

No,that displays a modicum f common sense. What you are saying hitting the matt after being cracked on the chin and showing no sign of movement isnt a ko

[Kittikasem]

Originally Posted by greathamza

with all due respect a KO means Knocked Out = lights out/asleep/unconscious but i understand what you are coming from too.

Yes, but that's a very literal interpretation of the term. As fans of this sport, we know that a 'KO' does not only mean when someone is literally knocked unconscious. It's also applied, by the rules of the sport, to fights such as Arlovski-Nelson where one fighter is prostrate and rendered unable to defend himself or continue due to a strike.

[Stoo]

Originally Posted by Kittikasem

Yes, but that's a very literal interpretation of the term. As fans of this sport, we know that a 'KO' does not only mean when someone is literally knocked unconscious. It's also applied, by the rules of the sport, to fights such as Arlovski-Nelson where one fighter is prostrate and rendered unable to defend himself or continue due to a strike.

Exactly, plenty of guys have been ko'd without being 'asleep' as he put it

Here's one example

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Paul's eyes are wide open, does that mean he is concious?

[Kittikasem]

Originally Posted by Stoo

Exactly, plenty of guys have been ko'd without being 'asleep' as he put it

Here's one example

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Paul's eyes are wide open, does that mean he is concious?

I'd take it a step further my friend.

To me, even this is rightfully classified as a KO:

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If a fighter cannot beat the count, he has been knocked out.


A TKO technical knockout is a different thing, where the count is not even involved, ie a referee stoppage like this:


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[Stoo]

Vic was all heart there, but in no way was he in control of his senses, it was all instinct


And you got to factor that a tko in mma is a more regular as being unable to defend/respond on the feet in a similar fashion to Vargas is a different kettle of fish when you can punch on the grounded opponent, and the ref steps in before he can be ko'd clean

[greathamza]

Originally Posted by Stoo

Exactly, plenty of guys have been ko'd without being 'asleep' as he put it

Here's one example

[url]***********.youtube.com/watch?v=w3leRDXrbrs[/url]

Paul's eyes are wide open, does that mean he is concious?

he paul was unconscious but and roy was moving after he got down not like usain bolt but he wasnt totally out of it.
im not saying that it was an unjustified stoppage either.

[LB3000]

Matt Hamill UD
Roy Nelson KO/TKO R2
Stefan Struve Sub (Triangle) R2
Thiago Alves UD
Brian Stann KO/TKO 1

Miguel Torres UD
Tim Boetsch KO/TKO R1

[whuiron1]

jackson tko1
nelson TKO3
Struve Sub RNC Rd2
Thiago tko1
Stann ud

Torres rd2 tko
Grove UD

[Matty lll]

How does one get into this prediction league? or is too late?

[Stoo]

Originally Posted by Matty lll

How does one get into this prediction league? or is too late?

Not to late fella, just get your picks in before the Prelims start