Most overrated HW of all time.

[Lostmykeys]

For me I would have to say Jack Johnson.

All film I have seen of him has been terrible, lacked offense and defense consisted of holding excessively.

His competition wasn't great, fighting middleweights. And he had many losses near the end of his career.

Despite this i've seen people rate him as high as third on top HW lists.

[Muchmoore]

Originally Posted by Sweet Pea

For me it's clearly Marciano.

How so? I'm guessing that you think Marciano fought mostly over the hill bums. Manassa wrote an article about Marciano that is great and he mostly writes about how under rated Marcianos oppontants are. I dont know where to find it though.

[Lostmykeys]

Originally Posted by Sweet Pea

The rules back then were different, alot of it had to do with clinching and things of that nature. He was great for his time, obviously he wasn't as skilled as the guys of the modern era. Don't be a fool.

For me it's clearly Marciano.

That's what i'm saying though. His skills wouldn't allow him to hang head to head with the top heavies. And his legacy was lacking but you still see people ranking him highly as an ATG HW.

[Muchmoore]

For me, both of the Klitschkos. They are decent fighters but in head to head matchups they get WAY too much over rated.

[McGrain]

Originally Posted by Lostmykeys

For me I would have to say Jack Johnson.

Perhaps you meant to call this thread "underated"?!

All film I have seen of him has been terrible, lacked offense and defense consisted of holding excessively.

I'd say his defencive infighing is the greatest ever. He attacked of his defence (generally speaking) which made him a deceptivley dangerous fighter. He was also a very strong one.

The holding you're refering to was very much a part of the mindset of the day.

His competition wasn't great, fighting middleweights. And he had many losses near the end of his career.

His competition as linear champ wasn't great. His competition as black champ and challenger is up there - most fighters had losses near the end of their careers, Johnsons went on much longer than mosts.

Despite this i've seen people rate him as high as third on top HW lists.

I have him at four.

I agree with Sweet Pea, Marciano. Just on the numbers. A great fighter, I have him at 13, many guys have him top three, some at one.

[McGrain]

Originally Posted by Lostmykeys

That's what i'm saying though. His skills wouldn't allow him to hang head to head with the top heavies. And his legacy was lacking but you still see people ranking him highly as an ATG HW.

I couldn't disagree with you more. Here's what I think Johnson has going fo him in the head to head department.

Best ring general of all time at heavyweight - only Ali competes in this area.

Great reactions. There are videos of him on youtube, you should look them up, he's openly compared to Ali in this department.

Very strong. As much as most of the others I would suggest.

Mentally strong. Never flustered.

For some of the above reasons he would need to be solved "in the ring". Sparring would be no use - that hamstrings some from the get go, the great Joe Louis included. I'd pick Jack to beat Joe head to head.

[McGrain]

Originally Posted by Muchmoore

For me, both of the Klitschkos. They are decent fighters but in head to head matchups they get WAY too much over rated.

Good call!

[hopkinsfan07]

Originally Posted by Sweet Pea

For me it's clearly Marciano.

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[hopkinsfan07]

Originally Posted by McGrain

Perhaps you meant to call this thread "underated"?!



I'd say his defencive infighing is the greatest ever. He attacked of his defence (generally speaking) which made him a deceptivley dangerous fighter. He was also a very strong one.

The holding you're refering to was very much a part of the mindset of the day.



His competition as linear champ wasn't great. His competition as black champ and challenger is up there - most fighters had losses near the end of their careers, Johnsons went on much longer than mosts.



I have him at four.

I agree with Sweet Pea, Marciano. Just on the numbers. A great fighter, I have him at 13, many guys have him top three, some at one.

Originally Posted by McGrain

I couldn't disagree with you more. Here's what I think Johnson has going fo him in the head to head department.

Best ring general of all time at heavyweight - only Ali competes in this area.

Great reactions. There are videos of him on youtube, you should look them up, he's openly compared to Ali in this department.

Very strong. As much as most of the others I would suggest.

Mentally strong. Never flustered.

For some of the above reasons he would need to be solved "in the ring". Sparring would be no use - that hamstrings some from the get go, the great Joe Louis included. I'd pick Jack to beat Joe head to head.

i very much agree with you accept the bit at the end i would pick joe louis but that just my personal opinion

[McGrain]

Originally Posted by Novirasputin

Any fighter can be torn down or overrated with the right spin.

However, the most overrated fighter of all time and i know this will hurt many people on here was Mike Tyson.

Here is a brave and righteous man!

[hopkinsfan07]

Originally Posted by Novirasputin

Any fighter can be torn down or overrated with the right spin.

However, the most overrated fighter of all time and i know this will hurt many people on here was Mike Tyson.


Not in the sense that he was a shitty mediocare fighter cause he wasnt.

Tyson had alot of great accomplishments as a pro (Spinks, Holmes, Berbick, just off the top of my head. All terrific wins) however the problem is since he was so popular people got it into their heads that he was invincible.

So much so that they made him think that and made this media machine out of him and forgot about the sport.

That shit ruined him.

Case in point: As good as Tyson was he could never dance at all.
A guy with that much good foot movement should have rightly been taught to
be a better defensive fighter.

This is why any time he got downed he stayed down.

i agree he is overated not the most overated but still i think hes isent a top ten heavyweight

[TBooze]

The most underrated/overrated heavy of all time is Tyson.

#2 overated is Mr President...

[Marnoff]

Originally Posted by TBooze

The most underrated/overrated heavy of all time is Tyson.

I think that is a good way to put it.

[Muchmoore]

Originally Posted by Sweet Pea

I'm thinking he fought some good fighters, a few(Charles, Moore, Louis) were great at one point but not when they fought each other, and a few other decent fighters, not really the stuff of a top HW, but due to his record and achievements he gains a spot in the top 10. No significant problem with that, but when people start talking top5 and Greatest is where it gets ridiculous.

You have him in the top ten, and very few people rank Marciano in the top 2 of all time and say hes the greatest. People ranking him top 5 isnt much different than you having him top ten. Its not over rating Marciano that much.

[robert ungurean]

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