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Old 07-29-2007, 12:08 PM   #211
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Default Re: Most overrated HW of all time.

all i want to say in this thread is

i cannot bring myself to overate any of these Heavyweight because i like pretty much all of them because they all had there own unique part to play in boxing.

i dont overate

Joe Louis
Rocky Marciano
Jack Johnson
Jack Dempsey
Floyd Patterson
Ezzard Charles
Sonny Liston
Lennox Lewis
Mike Tyson
Evander Holyfield
Muhammed Ali
Joe Frazier
George Foreman
Larry Holmes

but there is one Champ i feel personally was overated through the years and was a former Champ and that is

Primo Carnera should i say any more.
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Old 07-29-2007, 02:17 PM   #212
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Primo Carnera should i say any more.
Does anyone really overrate him?

Most people bag on him incessantly.
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Old 07-29-2007, 02:19 PM   #213
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all i want to say in this thread is

i cannot bring myself to overate any of these Heavyweight because i like pretty much all of them because they all had there own unique part to play in boxing.

i dont overate

Joe Louis
Rocky Marciano
Jack Johnson
Jack Dempsey
Floyd Patterson
Ezzard Charles
Sonny Liston
Lennox Lewis
Mike Tyson
Evander Holyfield
Muhammed Ali
Joe Frazier
George Foreman
Larry Holmes

but there is one Champ i feel personally was overated through the years and was a former Champ and that is

Primo Carnera should i say any more.





Who overrates him? Itīs the opposite with this poor man...
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Old 07-29-2007, 02:19 PM   #214
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Jack Dempsey and Jack Johnson are by many very overrated IMO...
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Old 07-29-2007, 02:29 PM   #215
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I think Ali pre-exile is overrated.

The Ali from 1964-67 has taken on mythical levels of ability, and is seen as significantly superior to the Ali of the 1970s.

Actually, he wasn't tested much at all in his first reign. Most of the guys were too old, too small or just too second-rate to apply necessary pressure.

But any opponent who beat him or gave him a hard fight in the 1970s is often said to have been lucky not to have faced the 60s Ali.

Highlight reels of his speed and dancing in the 60s are impressive, but the full fights or lengthy highlights show that he had weaknesses that surely would have been better exploited had he been fight a slightly better quality of opponent (as he did sometimes in the 70s).
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Old 07-29-2007, 02:33 PM   #216
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I think Ali pre-exile is overrated.

The Ali from 1964-67 has taken on mythical levels of ability, and is seen as significantly superior to the Ali of the 1970s.

Actually, he wasn't tested much at all in his first reign. Most of the guys were too old, too small or just too second-rate to apply necessary pressure.

But any opponent who beat him or gave him a hard fight in the 1970s is often said to have been lucky not to have faced the 60s Ali.

Highlight reels of his speed and dancing in the 60s are impressive, but the full fights or lengthy highlights show that he had weaknesses that surely would have been better exploited had he been fight a slightly better quality of opponent (as he did sometimes in the 70s).

Very good post, I see it the same way...
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Old 07-29-2007, 02:55 PM   #217
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but there is one Champ i feel personally was overated through the years and was a former Champ and that is

Primo Carnera should i say any more.
It is dificult to see how people could rate him any lower while still acknowledging that he did not trip over his own feet.
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Old 07-29-2007, 02:56 PM   #218
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Jack Dempsey and Jack Johnson are by many very overrated IMO...
Also vastly under rated by many.
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Old 07-29-2007, 02:58 PM   #219
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I think Ali pre-exile is overrated.

The Ali from 1964-67 has taken on mythical levels of ability, and is seen as significantly superior to the Ali of the 1970s.

Actually, he wasn't tested much at all in his first reign. Most of the guys were too old, too small or just too second-rate to apply necessary pressure.

But any opponent who beat him or gave him a hard fight in the 1970s is often said to have been lucky not to have faced the 60s Ali.

Highlight reels of his speed and dancing in the 60s are impressive, but the full fights or lengthy highlights show that he had weaknesses that surely would have been better exploited had he been fight a slightly better quality of opponent (as he did sometimes in the 70s).
Good call. Some people actually think the 60's Ali would simply "dance all the time and Frazier wouldn't catch him".
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Old 07-29-2007, 02:58 PM   #220
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I would have to say Marciano, its not his accomplisments, it just head-to-head.
I would have to say, he would lose to every other heavyweight champion from any other era.
Infact I would include contenders who could beat him.
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Old 07-29-2007, 02:59 PM   #221
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Also vastly under rated by many.

Yeah, thatīs right, but thatīs with all elite fighters, some overrate them and some underrate them, but IMO both of these 2 were not so much proven in their title reign that they could be considered as surely one of the greatest ever ( some rank Dempsey as the 4th best HW for example, thatīs a bit too high IMO)...
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Old 07-29-2007, 03:00 PM   #222
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I think Ali pre-exile is overrated.

The Ali from 1964-67 has taken on mythical levels of ability, and is seen as significantly superior to the Ali of the 1970s.

Actually, he wasn't tested much at all in his first reign. Most of the guys were too old, too small or just too second-rate to apply necessary pressure.

But any opponent who beat him or gave him a hard fight in the 1970s is often said to have been lucky not to have faced the 60s Ali.

Highlight reels of his speed and dancing in the 60s are impressive, but the full fights or lengthy highlights show that he had weaknesses that surely would have been better exploited had he been fight a slightly better quality of opponent (as he did sometimes in the 70s).
which of Alis challengers do you think were too old and which too small? It,s interesting that Zora folley is considered ancient at 34 and Patterson in his midle 30s yet Marcianos best opponents wrere a 38 Walcott a 33 Charles and a39 Mooreall of which are pumped up on this site as being in their primes.who of Alis opponents were too small? In his first reign as Champ the lightest challenger Ali defended against was Cooper who weighed 188,Ali scaled 201 1/2 for that fight hardly a mismatch,Patterson weighed 13 1/4lbs less than Ali.no other challenger conceded significant weight to him,or age he didnt defend against a 40 year old LH ,and get put on his arse,Ali had weaknesses ,all fighters do ,which challengers do you think he avoided during his first reign that could have exploited them?
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Old 07-29-2007, 03:01 PM   #223
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Also vastly under rated by many.
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Old 07-29-2007, 03:01 PM   #224
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I would have to say Marciano, its not his accomplisments, it just head-to-head.
I would have to say, he would lose to every other heavyweight champion from any other era.
Infact I would include contenders who could beat him.






Please stay here in the Classic Section, we need some clowns like you to laugh a bit, go on with your jokes...
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Old 07-29-2007, 03:04 PM   #225
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I stand by my claims.
How would a 5'10 185lber compete with the likes of Lewis,Wlad,Holmes,Ali, Prime Louis, prime Dempsey?
He wouldn't.

Head-to-head, Marciano is the worst heavyweight champion. If Marciano had a record of 49-1. then people would never make so much noise about him, that magic '0' blinds people.
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