Most overrated HW of all time.

[Muchmoore]

Originally Posted by robert ungurean

Lennox Lewis without question!!!

Lewis was a 3 time champion who had 14 title defenses. He beat names like Tua, Holyfield, Mercer, Rahman, Klitschko, McCall, Briggs, Tyson. He is a lock for the top ten of all time, and most people dont think he is the best ever or anything.

[McGrain]

Originally Posted by Muchmoore

Lewis was a 3 time champion who had 14 title defenses. He beat names like Tua, Holyfield, Mercer, Rahman, Klitschko, McCall, Briggs, Tyson. He is a lock for the top ten of all time, and most people dont think he is the best ever or anything.

Lewis would be a handful for everyone who every put gloves on.

[TBooze]

Originally Posted by Muchmoore

Lewis was a 3 time champion.

Leiws was three time title holder, two time Champion as Mr Ali will point out as the only three time champ, there is a big, big difference!

[Muchmoore]

Originally Posted by TBooze

Leiws was three time title holder, two time Champion as Mr Ali will point out as the only three time champ, there is a big, big difference!

Ok 2 time champion

[TBooze]

Originally Posted by Muchmoore

Ok 2 time champion

Thank you

[Duodenum]

Originally Posted by robert ungurean

Lennox Lewis without question!!!

Agreed. A true ATG HW champion does not lose his title in the prime of his career to a single punch early in a title defense from a mediocre challenger. It didn't happen to Jack Johnson, Joe Louis, Larry Holmes, Joe Frazier, Floyd Patterson, Muhammad Ali, or any other prominent champion in the division's history, except Lennox Lewis, and it happened to Lewis not once, but twice. (Where Floyd Patterson is concerned, Ingo and Liston both needed considerably more than one punch to dethrone him. Rachman and McCall are not in the same class as Ingo and Sonny.) Yes, Lennox may have been the best of his day, but an ATG? He invites comparisons to Big John Tate, moreso than the HW division's true elite. (Except that it took Weaver and Berbick several more rounds to eliminate Tate than it took McCall and Rachman to take out Lewis.)

[Muchmoore]

[quote=Duodenum](Where Floyd Patterson is concerned, Ingo and Liston both needed considerably more than one punch to dethrone him. Rachman and McCall are not in the same class as Ingo and Sonny.) quote]

It's better to be taken out with fluke punches when you are young or out of shape, then get beat down while in your prime and bringing a disguise to fights so when you lose no one will recognize you.

[Muchmoore]

Originally Posted by Duodenum

Agreed. A true ATG HW champion does not lose his title in the prime of his career to a single punch early in a title defense from a mediocre challenger. It didn't happen to Jack Johnson, Joe Louis, Larry Holmes, Joe Frazier, Floyd Patterson, Muhammad Ali, or any other prominent champion in the division's history, except Lennox Lewis, and it happened to Lewis not once, but twice. (Where Floyd Patterson is concerned, Ingo and Liston both needed considerably more than one punch to dethrone him. Rachman and McCall are not in the same class as Ingo and Sonny.) Yes, Lennox may have been the best of his day, but an ATG? He invites comparisons to Big John Tate, moreso than the HW division's true elite. (Except that it took Weaver and Berbick several more rounds to eliminate Tate than it took McCall and Rachman to take out Lewis.)

Also, does Tate have anywhere CLOSE to the resume that Lewis has?

You are taking Lewis' worst fights and saying that he isnt great just because of them. Do you ignore the rest of his career?

[Zakman]

Lennox Lewis - only top level ATG HW to get starched in the early rounds by second-rate HWs when he held the title. THe ONLY one.

[robert ungurean]

I really dont care what L.Lewis stats are, I just think he's overrated and doesnt belong in the all time greats when it comes to HW Champions.
Just my oppinion.

[Zakman]

Originally Posted by Duodenum

Agreed. A true ATG HW champion does not lose his title in the prime of his career to a single punch early in a title defense from a mediocre challenger. It didn't happen to Jack Johnson, Joe Louis, Larry Holmes, Joe Frazier, Floyd Patterson, Muhammad Ali, or any other prominent champion in the division's history, except Lennox Lewis, and it happened to Lewis not once, but twice. (Where Floyd Patterson is concerned, Ingo and Liston both needed considerably more than one punch to dethrone him. Rachman and McCall are not in the same class as Ingo and Sonny.) Yes, Lennox may have been the best of his day, but an ATG? He invites comparisons to Big John Tate, moreso than the HW division's true elite. (Except that it took Weaver and Berbick several more rounds to eliminate Tate than it took McCall and Rachman to take out Lewis.)

Subperb post. You have really captured just how overrated Lewis is. I love the john Tate comparison, btw - kind of what Rahman did to him. And Rahman was no Mike Weaver either.

[Duodenum]

Originally Posted by Sweet Pea

SO what? He avenged both losses by stoppage and and had a great resume, and when he was at his best was among the top HW's head to head of all time. It was clear against Rahman in the first fight that he wasn't at his best, and he got up from the McCall knockdown, the ref decided to call it off. He avenged the losses, proving they were nothing but flukes. You have never even come close to convincing anyone that he is overrated or that those losses prove anything, at all.

Once is a fluke. Twice is a pattern. Lennox would have lost Larry Holmes's title defenses to Weaver, Shavers, Snipes and Witherspoon. Larry would have gotten off the deck against Rachman and McCall, won the remainder of those rounds, and then taken them out. (And in McCall's first match after starching Lennox, old fat Larry Holmes very nearly did dethrone McCall. Old fat Larry Holmes was also far better against undefeated Ray Mercer than Lennox was later.)

[McGrain]

Originally Posted by Duodenum

Lennox would have lost Larry Holmes's title defenses to Weaver, Shavers, Snipes and Witherspoon.

That's a pretty hefty claim friend.

[Muchmoore]

Originally Posted by Duodenum

Once is a fluke. Twice is a pattern. Lennox would have lost Larry Holmes's title defenses to Weaver, Shavers, Snipes and Witherspoon. Larry would have gotten off the deck against Rachman and McCall, won the remainder of those rounds, and then taken them out. (And in McCall's first match after starching Lennox, old fat Larry Holmes very nearly did dethrone McCall. Old fat Larry Holmes was also far better against undefeated Ray Mercer than Lennox was later.)

Mercer completely overlooked Holmes and thought he would steamroll him. He wasnt in good shape, while when he fought Lewis, he was in great shape and it was his peak performance.

[Duodenum]

Originally Posted by Sweet Pea

VERY! And I bet you Lewis wouldn't be losing twice to Spinks either.

Nor did Holmes, except in the very questionable minds of the judges. (I won't discuss Holyfield/Lewis.)