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View Poll Results: Will you consider the Wlad-Haye winner to be "World Heavyweight Champion"?
Yes, the winner will be the World Champ. 90 38.14%
Wladimir already is the World Champ. 88 37.29%
No, the winner will still need Vitali's WBC title to be World Champ. 58 24.58%
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Old 05-28-2011, 08:27 PM   #31
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Interesting logic. To be the man you have to beat the man... or in this case because they are brothers who won't fight and nobody is really sure who is the better fighter it again comes down to anybody wanting to reach the top of the division now has to take on the double headed Klitschko monster?

I call bullshit.... Wlad is currently the man... the champ... If Haye beats Wlad (Big IF) then Haye becomes the division number one and 'the man'
Who did wlad beat to be the man?
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Old 05-28-2011, 08:35 PM   #32
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Interesting logic. To be the man you have to beat the man... or in this case because they are brothers who won't fight and nobody is really sure who is the better fighter it again comes down to anybody wanting to reach the top of the division now has to take on the double headed Klitschko monster?

I call bullshit.... Wlad is currently the man... the champ... If Haye beats Wlad (Big IF) then Haye becomes the division number one and 'the man'
Wlad is not *the man*, no.
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Old 05-28-2011, 08:42 PM   #33
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Wlad unified WBO, IBF, IBO and WBA already, considering he beat Chagaev when he was reigning champion and the only reason he was not recognized is politics, being the WBA a DKP owned organization.
The only fight he didn't take was his brother.
For Christ sake! when you climb up the ring you go for the kill, how are you gonna do such a thing against your brother, it's insane to demand that.

Wlad has donne it all, you can't get more linear then this these days. I see a lot of guys called linear for lesser achievements.
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Old 05-29-2011, 02:28 AM   #34
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I should have read further, I didn't realize Wlad already champ was an option, cause that would be my pick.
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Old 05-29-2011, 04:29 AM   #35
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wlad already is the champ, haye is a beltholder, the winner will either still be the champ or new champion. If haye is abe to win then him vs vitali really really has too happen.
Co-Sign.

Just to add Haye is a beltholder of the weakest strap.
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Old 05-29-2011, 05:20 AM   #36
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Wlad unified WBO, IBF, IBO and WBA already, considering he beat Chagaev when he was reigning champion and the only reason he was not recognized is politics, being the WBA a DKP owned organization.
The only fight he didn't take was his brother.
For Christ sake! when you climb up the ring you go for the kill, how are you gonna do such a thing against your brother, it's insane to demand that.

Wlad has donne it all, you can't get more linear then this these days. I see a lot of guys called linear for lesser achievements.
Done it all apart from beat number 2 whilst he was ranked number 1.

He could have faced rahman/mask/peter when either was wbc champ.
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Old 05-29-2011, 12:12 PM   #37
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Done it all apart from beat number 2 whilst he was ranked number 1.

He could have faced rahman/mask/peter when either was wbc champ.
Just like to say, this isn't a criticism of wlad at all; it's apparent he avoided that belt because vitali was chaos emeritus. I'm just saying he hasn't done enough to fulfil the traditional criteria of a lineal champ.

That being said he has still easily been the best heavyweight in the world for the last 5 years. His place in history is set.
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Old 06-30-2011, 05:31 PM   #38
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Bumped for relevance to Saturday's Superfight!
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Old 06-30-2011, 05:37 PM   #39
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I was in favor of Ring's choice to allow Wlad/Chag to be for their title and consider Wlad linear and Vitali/Haye to be only belt holders. One man unified, one man has been active as a titlist, unbroken in the division for five years, one man has Ring recognition who's been fighting either mandatories or Ring ranked guys...Wladimir is the champion. Most have come around to calling him linear even given the unique circumstances and I'm included. Frankly, if you don't consider Wlad linear from what he's done, you have no grounds to say he's linear after Haye, who is in no different a position as Chagaev was in. Ring no. 3 with the WBA belt and the general consensus second best (Vitali) still in the same place as he was then.
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"Will you consider the Wlad-Haye Superfight winner to be World Heavyweight Champion?"

- He already is. (and it 'aint the princess.)
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Old 06-30-2011, 05:38 PM   #40
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No one can call themself World Heavyweight Champ until they have beaten Kali Meehan the WBF Champ.

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Old 06-30-2011, 06:27 PM   #41
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I think whilst it would be nice to strictly adhere to lineage it is not practicable with all the belts around now and the constant politics. I think it's fair to say if a fighter holds three belts then they can usually be considered world champion. There might be exceptions to this, which is a pity, and it would be great to return to the days of recognised world champions in each weight category but those days are gone!
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Old 06-30-2011, 07:21 PM   #42
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No the winner is just number 1 ranked heavyweight. The winner would need to face the winner of vitali - adamek to create a new lineage
As a big Klitschko fan or if you will nuthugger I do believe wlad and Vitali have to fight, the fact that boxing is not forcing this...as well as not forcing much of anything just shows you as a sport boxing is a fake.
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Old 06-30-2011, 07:33 PM   #43
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A and B. Wlad is the champ now, but the winner of the fight would be the champ as well.
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Old 06-30-2011, 07:40 PM   #44
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Wlad already is the champ. The WBA and the WBC heavyweight titles mean absolutely nothing right now.

To go even further... Vitali won the WBC title from a fighter that Wlad had already beat, Sam Peter. Wlad also beat the true WBA Champion Chagaev, who's title was given back to Valuev and Haye picked it up from him. Those titles mean nothing and Wlad doesn't need either of them to be the true Champ. That nonsense is killing boxing. Wlad is the champ. If he wins, he stays Champ... if Haye wins, he becomes Champ because he beat Wlad.
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Old 06-30-2011, 07:59 PM   #45
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Wladimir is already the champion, period.
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