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Old 05-29-2011, 08:04 AM   #46
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Old 05-29-2011, 08:07 AM   #47
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I think this is a horrible thing to think, if your serious. What about all the good he did? He gets a little aggressive with some opponents in a combat sport and he deserves an agonizing disease? Really?
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[quote=Unforgiven;9778598]No, I already said I don't think it's quite taunting, but it IS gloating over a fallen opponent. (Not just the arm raising, the standing over and looking down at the fallen man)
It's an unnecessary statement of superiority and underlines the subjugation of the opponent. I have no problem with it. I'm just saying.




I have no problem with his celebrating/gloating.
I'm just giving my interpretation on what I see.[/quot

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Old 05-29-2011, 02:41 PM   #49
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Here he was calling Joe an Uncle Tom....yet Ali has some Irish in his background...
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Old 05-29-2011, 04:12 PM   #50
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Hard to believe that Bryant Gumbel was quotes as saying `Is Joe Frazier ` white champ in black skin ` ? Joe Frazier came from a humble,very hard background. And was a tough and proud man. Who tried his best to do right by his family and his boxing fans...
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Not a nice thing to say that, and Boxing Illustrated ran with it as their cover story.

Not that I like Bryant Gumbel, but I will say that Bryant Gumbel admitted to being wrong for doing that.
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Old 05-29-2011, 10:16 PM   #51
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Ali is a big meanie!!
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Old 05-30-2011, 07:24 AM   #52
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Here he was calling Joe an Uncle Tom....yet Ali has some Irish in his background...
What has being an 'Uncle Tom' got to do with Ali's Irish ancestry
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Old 05-30-2011, 07:27 AM   #53
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What has being an 'Uncle Tom' got to do with Ali's Irish ancestry

Every Irish man has at least one uncle Tom.
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Old 05-30-2011, 07:36 AM   #54
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I think it was because. A lot of people simply didnt like Ali because he was ****y and black (i hate to say that) and a draft dodger. So they aligned themselves with Frazier purely because they wanted Ali beat. Ali then indirectly decided to get back at these people by insulting Frazier.

Basically by insulting Frazier, he was indirectly taking shots at those who hated him for more than just boxing purposes.

Similar to the way people jump at any of Mayweathers opponents purely because they want him beat.
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Old 05-30-2011, 07:52 AM   #55
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I think Ali was just a bit of a prick at times and you can over rationalize these things.

Some things Ali said were a disgrace, he said that any white blood he had was the product of rape in a 1978 interview. He knew at that stage that he had a white great grandfather who married his great grandmother yet he accussed his own ancestors of rape. His comments about a Frazier were a disgrace too and I don't believe that Ali was quite the sophisticated wit that many people believed he was. He essentially stole his whole demanour from a 1940s professional wrestler known as Gorgeous George.

He was a fantastic fighter but unfortunately he has been given an undeserved reputation as some exceptional noble figure who can't be criticised.
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Old 05-30-2011, 08:03 AM   #56
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Funnily enough, i have
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I think Ali was just a bit of a prick at times and you can over rationalize these things.

Some things Ali said were a disgrace, he said that any white blood he had was the product of rape in a 1978 interview. He knew at that stage that he had a white great grandfather who married his great grandmother yet he accussed his own ancestors of rape. His comments about a Frazier were a disgrace too and I don't believe that Ali was quite the sophisticated wit that many people believed he was. He essentially stole his whole demanour from a 1940s professional wrestler known as Gorgeous George.

He was a fantastic fighter but unfortunately he has been given an undeserved reputation as some exceptional noble figure who can't be criticised.
True, its funny how ALi is looked as a complete angel and Tyson is looked at some sort of pyschpathic brute.

The truth is Tyson always had a kind caring heart and deep down...Ali was probably more ruthless
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Old 05-30-2011, 08:17 AM   #58
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I think Ali was just a bit of a prick at times and you can over rationalize these things.

Some things Ali said were a disgrace, he said that any white blood he had was the product of rape in a 1978 interview. He knew at that stage that he had a white great grandfather who married his great grandmother yet he accussed his own ancestors of rape. His comments about a Frazier were a disgrace too and I don't believe that Ali was quite the sophisticated wit that many people believed he was. He essentially stole his whole demanour from a 1940s professional wrestler known as Gorgeous George.

He was a fantastic fighter but unfortunately he has been given an undeserved reputation as some exceptional noble figure who can't be criticised.
W, you are so darn right. Ali ,were he white ,and said such racial crass baloney,would be unanimously chastised by everyone in society, but he above any sports celebrity get's a free pass and becomes an undeserved icon...
Well I and millioins of other suckers who paid money to see him fight never
hurt he or his race, would hear him spout his brand of bigotry and cringe.
Give me the joe louis, Ezzard Charles, Floyd Patterson, Archie Moore, Arguello, Joe Frazier type anytime over Ali's brand of meanness disguised as
an icon...And he did change, and he is sick now,and I wish Ali nothing but the best for him now. He is brave for sure, and I too now admire him for his demeanor since his retirement...Cheers...
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Old 05-30-2011, 08:39 AM   #59
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I must admit, some of the stuff Ali said was extreme racism, offensive to any decent person, whatever way you slice it. When you're saying blacks and whites shouldn't be allowed to marry, or should be killed for "messing with each other's women" you are stating some serious sickening and backward opinions, even by the standards of earlier times.

To be fair, I suspect the guy just wasn't very clever, and remained young and foolish for too long because he was idolised by so many blacks and whites alike who didn't really look behind the superficial image and canonized him as a symbol of defiance.
He's overrated in that respect.
But he was a heck of a fighter, really.
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Old 05-30-2011, 12:23 PM   #60
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Hard to believe that Bryant Gumbel was quotes as saying `Is Joe Frazier ` white champ in black skin ` ? Joe Frazier came from a humble,very hard background. And was a tough and proud man. Who tried his best to do right by his family and his boxing fans...
Bryant Gumbel wrote a whole article about Frazier being a white champ in black skin. Gumbel's article did nothing but fuel Ali's racist propaganda against Frazier saying he represented black people and Frazier represented the whites. Nothing but a BS, stupid article that only served to hurt Frazier and praise Ali.
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