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Old 05-28-2011, 06:06 AM   #1
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Default Who do you rank higher in all-time terms: Tito Ortiz or Rampage Jackson?

Both men came off worse vs their biggest rivals (Chuck Liddell and Wanderlei Silva respectively).

But both still had solid careers. Who was the greater fighter in your opinion?
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Old 05-28-2011, 06:38 AM   #2
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Both men came off worse vs their biggest rivals (Chuck Liddell and Wanderlei Silva respectively).

But both still had solid careers. Who was the greater fighter in your opinion?
Rampage all the way.

In terms of I'd say Tito had better wrestling skills, but Rampage had a better all-round skillset. Tito's striking skills were mediocore at best, but Jackson at least developed some basic boxing skills. Sure, not enough to compete with guys on the level of Wanderlei and Shogun, but he was able to KO Chuck Liddell - a good westler and kickboxer.

Tito was an important part in the UFC getting a foot in the door in terms of mainstream acceptance through his rivalry with Ken Shamrock, but his record isn't all that impressive. I know he ran up five consecutive title defences, but the level of opposition he was facing makes it seem a little unimpressive - few of them had the skillset to negate his wrestling skills. Matyushenko, for example, was a fellow wrestler and while nobody would have expected him to be dominated by Tito quite as easily as he was, he was hardly going to give him problems on the feet. (Funnily enough these days The Janitor would probably KO him....) I know he was a late sub for Vitor Belfort, but still. Another defense was against a broken-down Ken Shamrock, who came in with ACL problems.

I know Tito has some decent wins under his belt - but not enough to compare with Rampage. I think the quality of fighter in PRIDE was better at his time, and wins over Murilo Bustamante and Chuck Liddell are not to be sniffed at. As controversial as the endings in their fights he did also KO Ricardo Arona, and decision Ninja Rua. Throw in his victory over Hendo, and I think he's got a better record than Tito.
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Old 05-28-2011, 07:20 AM   #3
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Default Re: Who do you rank higher in all-time terms: Tito Ortiz or Rampage Jackson?

Don't forget who Tito beat to win his title.
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Old 05-28-2011, 07:25 AM   #4
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Default Re: Who do you rank higher in all-time terms: Tito Ortiz or Rampage Jackson?

tito won over wandy, Vladimir Matyushenko, Ken Shamrock and evan tanner during his ufc champion regime.
he only lost to chuck, randy and frank shamrock before he became a gatekeeper
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Old 05-28-2011, 07:32 AM   #5
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Rampage's resume is better, plain and simple.
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Old 05-28-2011, 08:08 AM   #6
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Rampage easily, just because the PRIDE MW division was deeper than Jenna's clunge and losses to Page bookmarked Chuck's prime
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Rampage easily, just because the PRIDE MW division was deeper than Jenna's clunge and losses to Page bookmarked Chuck's prime
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Old 05-28-2011, 10:00 AM   #8
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rampages "win" over machida alone is better than anything tito has done
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rampages "win" over machida alone is better than anything tito has done
Yeah, getting a gift decision is a colossal achievement.


Almost submitting that same Machida with a triangle? Pah.

Winning the UFC lhw title against Wanderlei Silva? Pish-posh.

Making 4 defences before losing it to Randy? Piffle.


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Old 05-28-2011, 10:44 AM   #10
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Pride had the superior fighters whilst Tito was champ over in the UFC, Rampage has the better resume
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Old 05-28-2011, 10:58 AM   #11
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Yeah, getting a gift decision is a colossal achievement.


Almost submitting that same Machida with a triangle? Pah.

Winning the UFC lhw title against Wanderlei Silva? Pish-posh.

Making 4 defences before losing it to Randy? Piffle.


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you mean getting FLOGGED by machida for three rounds before throwing up a hail mary submission and failing?

yes i do mean its better than silva

hmmm 4 defenses.....against who??
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Old 05-28-2011, 11:31 AM   #12
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you mean getting FLOGGED by machida for three rounds before throwing up a hail mary submission and failing?

yes i do mean its better than silva

hmmm 4 defenses.....against who??
If you seriously think a joke decision against a gunshy Machida is better than everything I listed there, you must be a total moron.
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Old 05-28-2011, 12:15 PM   #13
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Default Re: Who do you rank higher in all-time terms: Tito Ortiz or Rampage Jackson?

I think Rampage, and clearly.

Tito's win over Wanderlei is relevant, but it was early in both fighter's careers. I believe Silva went on to accomplish more than Tito afterward.

I think that Rampage's wins over Henderson, Liddell, Eastman, Arona, Randleman, and Vovchanchyn are too much for Ortiz' resume.

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Old 05-28-2011, 12:24 PM   #14
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I think Rampage, and clearly.

Tito's win over Wanderlei is relevant, but it was early in both fighter's careers. I believe Silva went on to accomplish more than Tito afterward.

I think that Rampage's wins over Henderson, Liddell, Eastman, Arona, Randleman, Sakuraba, and Vovchanchyn are too much for Ortiz' resume.
I'm inclined to agree with this post.
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Old 05-28-2011, 12:30 PM   #15
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I think Rampage, and clearly.

Tito's win over Wanderlei is relevant, but it was early in both fighter's careers. I believe Silva went on to accomplish more than Tito afterward.

I think that Rampage's wins over Henderson, Liddell, Eastman, Arona, Randleman, Sakuraba, and Vovchanchyn are too much for Ortiz' resume.
he didnt win over sakuraba
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