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Old 05-28-2011, 10:59 PM   #31
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i know on paper frank appears the better fighter but ken would win. hes too big, too strong and knows franks game inside out. ken tried many times to get this fight signed but frank wont have any of it. even despite the fact it would have made more money for him than all of his previous fights.
As great hamza said ken used to kick franks ass in training. frank was genuinely in awe of ken back when ken was at his best.
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I can kick the ass of a world Muay Thai champion every week, but she is a girl and only 5'2". The only thing Ken has over Frank is size.

Frank won fights in K1, he was the king of Pancrase, and beat Tito Ortiz. Ken got smashed twice.

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i know on paper frank appears the better fighter but ken would win. hes too big, too strong and knows franks game inside out. ken tried many times to get this fight signed but frank wont have any of it. even despite the fact it would have made more money for him than all of his previous fights.
As great hamza said ken used to kick franks ass in training. frank was genuinely in awe of ken back when ken was at his best.
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Old 05-28-2011, 11:18 PM   #33
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I can kick the ass of a world Muay Thai champion every week, but she is a girl and only 5'2". The only thing Ken has over Frank is size.

Frank won fights in K1, he was the king of Pancrase, and beat Tito Ortiz. Ken got smashed twice.
whats that got nothing to do with anything?
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Old 05-28-2011, 11:24 PM   #34
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You said Ken is too big and strong for Frank. I'm pointing out that isn't really relevant. Thought you could put it together...

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Old 05-28-2011, 11:32 PM   #35
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You said Ken is too big and strong for Frank. I'm pointing out that isn't really relevant. Thought you could put it together...

it clearly is when ken has such intimate knowledge of franks game.
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Old 05-28-2011, 11:45 PM   #36
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it clearly is when ken has such intimate knowledge of franks game.
And vice versa which negates Kens only advantage
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Old 05-28-2011, 11:49 PM   #37
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And vice versa which negates Kens only advantage
how? when all things are equal size and strength usually prevails.
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how? when all things are equal size and strength usually prevails.
True, but Frank is better at EVERYTHING
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Old 05-29-2011, 12:03 AM   #39
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True, but Frank is better at EVERYTHING
everything he LEARNED FROM KEN..
people are quick to point out the ortiz fight. frank won that fight thanks to his awesome cardio and a great rope a dope gameplan. but if you watch that fight tito was winning quite handily. now consider how that fight would have gone if tito knew EVERYTHING frank was capable of and what his gameplan would be. you think frank still springs that victory??
thats the case your looking at with frank vs ken.
If they were two random guys that had just met off the street then yes i think in a one off fight frank wins. but they werent random guys off the street.
its huge, athletic and freakishly strong trainer vs much smaller (albeit more skillful) trainee in this case.
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So Prime Freddie Roach beats Prime Pac?
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Old 05-29-2011, 12:17 AM   #41
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So Prime Freddie Roach beats Prime Pac?
no but a prime virgil hill would.
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It's a damn shame Franks prime was in the 'dark ages', maybe hurt his legacy retiring the 1st time like he did, but he was leagues ahead of Ken at their best

agree

ken was a pioneer of the sport but frank had a better skillset and all-around game. and frank won and defended the ufc belt a few significant times..
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Old 05-29-2011, 03:32 AM   #43
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frank shamrock has better wrestling and was much tougher imo than ken.
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Old 05-29-2011, 09:31 AM   #44
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At their best - Frank beats the shit out of Ken, better submissions, faster, more agile, better striker, better athlete.

Wrestling & size go to Ken... everything else goes to Frank.
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50/50. Ken could get an early stoppage or Frank weathers the storm and wins once kens tires
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