the shamrocks - Page 3

rusty nails · 05-28-2011, 10:59 PM

i know on paper frank appears the better fighter but ken would win. hes too big, too strong and knows franks game inside out. ken tried many times to get this fight signed but frank wont have any of it. even despite the fact it would have made more money for him than all of his previous fights.
As great hamza said ken used to kick franks ass in training. frank was genuinely in awe of ken back when ken was at his best.

MaliSlamusrex · 05-28-2011, 11:06 PM

I can kick the ass of a world Muay Thai champion every week, but she is a girl and only 5'2". The only thing Ken has over Frank is size.

Frank won fights in K1, he was the king of Pancrase, and beat Tito Ortiz. Ken got smashed twice.

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i know on paper frank appears the better fighter but ken would win. hes too big, too strong and knows franks game inside out. ken tried many times to get this fight signed but frank wont have any of it. even despite the fact it would have made more money for him than all of his previous fights.
As great hamza said ken used to kick franks ass in training. frank was genuinely in awe of ken back when ken was at his best.

rusty nails · 05-28-2011, 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by MaliSlamusrex

I can kick the ass of a world Muay Thai champion every week, but she is a girl and only 5'2". The only thing Ken has over Frank is size.

Frank won fights in K1, he was the king of Pancrase, and beat Tito Ortiz. Ken got smashed twice.

whats that got nothing to do with anything?

MaliSlamusrex · 05-28-2011, 11:24 PM

You said Ken is too big and strong for Frank. I'm pointing out that isn't really relevant. Thought you could put it together...

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whats that got nothing to do with anything?

rusty nails · 05-28-2011, 11:32 PM

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You said Ken is too big and strong for Frank. I'm pointing out that isn't really relevant. Thought you could put it together...

it clearly is when ken has such intimate knowledge of franks game.

Stoo · 05-28-2011, 11:45 PM

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it clearly is when ken has such intimate knowledge of franks game.

And vice versa which negates Kens only advantage

rusty nails · 05-28-2011, 11:49 PM

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And vice versa which negates Kens only advantage

how? when all things are equal size and strength usually prevails.

Stoo · 05-28-2011, 11:50 PM

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how? when all things are equal size and strength usually prevails.

True, but Frank is better at EVERYTHING

rusty nails · 05-29-2011, 12:03 AM

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True, but Frank is better at EVERYTHING

everything he LEARNED FROM KEN..
people are quick to point out the ortiz fight. frank won that fight thanks to his awesome cardio and a great rope a dope gameplan. but if you watch that fight tito was winning quite handily. now consider how that fight would have gone if tito knew EVERYTHING frank was capable of and what his gameplan would be. you think frank still springs that victory??
thats the case your looking at with frank vs ken.
If they were two random guys that had just met off the street then yes i think in a one off fight frank wins. but they werent random guys off the street.
its huge, athletic and freakishly strong trainer vs much smaller (albeit more skillful) trainee in this case.

Stoo · 05-29-2011, 12:14 AM

So Prime Freddie Roach beats Prime Pac?

rusty nails · 05-29-2011, 12:17 AM

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So Prime Freddie Roach beats Prime Pac?

no but a prime virgil hill would.

Totomabs · 05-29-2011, 01:19 AM

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It's a damn shame Franks prime was in the 'dark ages', maybe hurt his legacy retiring the 1st time like he did, but he was leagues ahead of Ken at their best

agree

ken was a pioneer of the sport but frank had a better skillset and all-around game. and frank won and defended the ufc belt a few significant times..

Ai-edy2007 · 05-29-2011, 03:32 AM

frank shamrock has better wrestling and was much tougher imo than ken.

Bill Butcher · 05-29-2011, 09:31 AM

At their best - Frank beats the shit out of Ken, better submissions, faster, more agile, better striker, better athlete.

Wrestling & size go to Ken... everything else goes to Frank.

05-29-2011, 12:13 PM

50/50. Ken could get an early stoppage or Frank weathers the storm and wins once kens tires

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rusty nails Tszyu for PM!! East Side Guru Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: dunno..where am i??? Posts: 6,722 vCash: 1000	Re: the shamrocks i know on paper frank appears the better fighter but ken would win. hes too big, too strong and knows franks game inside out. ken tried many times to get this fight signed but frank wont have any of it. even despite the fact it would have made more money for him than all of his previous fights. As great hamza said ken used to kick franks ass in training. frank was genuinely in awe of ken back when ken was at his best.
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Stoo RIP T-Dog East Side VIP Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 14,938 vCash: 1000	Re: the shamrocks So Prime Freddie Roach beats Prime Pac?
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Ai-edy2007 STOCKTON 209 MOTHERFUCKER ESB Addict Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Australia Posts: 3,974 vCash: 500	Re: the shamrocks frank shamrock has better wrestling and was much tougher imo than ken.
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Bill Butcher Erik`El Terrible`Morales East Side VIP Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Phoenix Marie`s ass, Fritzl Residence, Glasgow, Scotland. Posts: 15,580 vCash: 1000	Re: the shamrocks At their best - Frank beats the shit out of Ken, better submissions, faster, more agile, better striker, better athlete. Wrestling & size go to Ken... everything else goes to Frank.
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05-29-2011, 12:13 PM	#45
zarman Guest Posts: n/a vCash:	Re: the shamrocks 50/50. Ken could get an early stoppage or Frank weathers the storm and wins once kens tires
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