How long would it take (to train at boxing) and be able to defend yourself?

[kyzz]

Originally Posted by BladeJrs

And I could have sworn I just told you fighting in the street is not boxing, but apparently that's too complex for you to comprehend. Boxing is not the same as fighting. The streets are dirty, boxing has rules. Good luck slipping a knife shot to the body.

Awesome, now maybe you could show me where I said "fighting in the street IS boxing", unless you just made that up, but you wouldn't do that...

That doesn't happen to me.

Right, but you can't be dumb enough to think that it NEVER happens. I mean do you not wear a seatbelt because "you've never been in a car accident"?

Virus gave you good advice that if you really want self defense for the streets learn something like krav maga, but you continue to try and argue against any advice being given to you. Your sensitivity to everyone's comments is making it clear why people see you as an easy target and start shit with you.

Just because I don't agree with stupid advice doesn't imply that I'm sensitive, on the contrary it seems some people are sensitive that I'm not blindly nodding my head at advice like "Act less gay" (actual advice I received by the way). The whole reason I made this thread was entirely due to listening to interviews by professional fighters suggesingt boxing as a tool to defend yourself on the street

[BladeJrs]

Originally Posted by kyzz

Right, but you can't be dumb enough to think that it WON'T happen. I mean do you not wear a seatbelt because "you've never been in a car accident"?

I don't give off a vibe that would make people want to do that with me, plus if it ever happened, I know how to actually fight. But that info is irrelevant since we're talking about you. You flat out told us you can't fight.

Also, horrible rationale i.e. do you avoid eating food because you think even though it's 'never happened,' you'll eventually choke on something to death?

Originally Posted by kyzz

Awesome, now maybe you could show me where I said "fighting in the street IS boxing", unless you just made that up, but you wouldn't do that...

being a good boxer can make you a good fighter,

I know reading might hurt but I could've sworn I said learning to box can help you learn to fight

combine these with the fact that the whole point of you making this thread was due to getting into STREET FIGHTS and thus wanting to take up boxing
= you thinking boxing and fighting are one in the same.


Deal with it, you came in here wanting to hear "yea man, join a boxing gym and you'll be knocking everyone out soon enough!" and since those weren't the type of answers you got, you've gotten overly sensitive, upset, and have began dissecting everyone's posts to try and attack advice given to you. Go ahead and learn to box, but don't come crying here if you still get your ass kicked by someone in a pizza place.

[Primate]

Why didn't you speak to the staff at this pizza place? Get the manager to call the cops before the whole thing escalates. Just sitting there in some kind of misguided defiance is just going to make the situation worse. It never should've gotten to the point where food was being mishandled and drinks were being directed to peoples faces. Get the staff involved, get the manager involved, call the cops yourself, the second this clown started mouthing off and threatening you in a public place he was committing an offence.
Failing all that, when it was obvious this guy wanted to do you harm, why in the sweet fuck did you not just leave? Your pizza was already on the floor, so your meal was ruined, you had nothing left to stay there for except for your pride, which is a sin.

[kyzz]

Originally Posted by BladeJrs

I don't give off a vibe that would make people want to do that with me, plus if it ever happened, I know how to actually fight. But that info is irrelevant since we're talking about you. You flat out told us you can't fight.

Nope, it's relevant...because if you've ever actually left your house once in a while you might start giving off "vibes" where idiots will want to step all over you. And besides, why would I listen to your "advice" anyway, how do I know you can even swing a punch? For all we know I'd kick your ass...

Also, horrible rationale i.e. do you avoid eating food because you think even though it's 'never happened,' you'll eventually choke on something to death?

Well of course it's horrible rationale you idiot! That's the point I'm trying to make LOL. You're the one who said "it doesn't happen to me", well I'm telling you it CAN.

combine these with the fact that the whole point of you making this thread was due to getting into STREET FIGHTS and thus wanting to take up boxing
= you thinking boxing and fighting are one in the same.

So...let me get this straight. Me saying "boxing helps you fight" is the same thing as saying "Boxing is the EXACT SAME THING as street fighting" ? I won't be hard on you, maybe English isn't your first language (or your second).

Originally Posted by Primate

Why didn't you speak to the staff at this pizza place? Get the manager to call the cops before the whole thing escalates.

Like I said already, there were 2 workers who observed but did nothing.

Just sitting there in some kind of misguided defiance is just going to make the situation worse.

If you appease to a bully you will continue getting bullied. Now after all the other guy went through (because he did not WIN the fight mind you), the next time he's being "annoyed" by a gay guy he'll think twice about opening his fat mouth.

Failing all that, when it was obvious this guy wanted to do you harm, why in the sweet fuck did you not just leave? Your pizza was already on the floor, so your meal was ruined, you had nothing left to stay there for except for your pride, which is a sin.

Replace pride with dignity and you're absolutely right. After he ruined my meal and wanted me to leave could I have left and avoided confrontation? Sure. But I was always taught to stand up for myself. And I suppose if the tables were turned on yourself, where we'll say it's you and your mother at a table and an idiot throws your mother's food on the ground and tells you two to "get the fuck out", you'd probably respond with something other than "yes sir"

[BladeJrs]

Nope, it's relevant...because if you've ever actually left your house once in a while you might start giving off "vibes" where idiots will want to step all over you. And besides, why would I listen to your "advice" anyway, how do I know you can even swing a punch? For all we know I'd kick your ass...

lol Thank you for proving my point about your sensitivity. I make a point about me that in no way has any bearing on you or your skills, but your response is to try and take shots at me? Way to go, once again, thanks for showing us why people continue to kick your ass.

Get a clue idiot, there's a reason it's you vs. everyone else in this thread.

Dissecting posts into a million parts so you can give dumb responses to so many things makes you look even worse by the way.

[Primate]

Originally Posted by kyzz

Like I said already, there were 2 workers who observed but did nothing.

You can't rely on people standing around watching to help you out unless you engage them. Walk straight up to the staff and quietly say, "excuse me, this gentleman is harassing me, could you please get the manager or security to ask him to quiet down or leave? Thank you for your time" What you don't do is sit there and shoot him a dirty look every time he gets mouthy, that's just antagonising.

If you appease to a bully you will continue getting bullied. Now after all the other guy went through (because he did not WIN the fight mind you), the next time he's being "annoyed" by a gay guy he'll think twice about opening his fat mouth.

Where did you study psychology? Maybe this guy has a grudge now and next time he sees someone he perceives as a homosexual he won't open his fat mouth at all he'll just wander up behind them with a brick in his hand. Maybe he'll spot one of the girls you were with and decide to enforce his masculinity in a different way. Or maybe he'll just learn his lesson, until the next guy you see has a problem with the gays, and you'll have to teach him a lesson as well, and the next guy, and the next guy, until you've beat the shit out of everyone that has a problem with homosexuality and the world can finally live in harmony.

Replace pride with dignity and you're absolutely right. After he ruined my meal and wanted me to leave could I have left and avoided confrontation? Sure. But I was always taught to stand up for myself. And I suppose if the tables were turned on yourself, where we'll say it's you and your mother at a table and an idiot throws your mother's food on the ground and tells you two to "get the fuck out", you'd probably respond with something other than "yes sir"

You never should have let it reach that pitch in the first place. The second this guy started getting mouthy you should have spoken to the staff and they should have dealt with it. If they refused to deal with it (you threaten to sue for discrimination and watch how fast they change their tune) and if this guy is genuinely threatening you, then you either call the police/security or you leave, or both.

Any decent self-defence school will tell you, 99% of self-defence is recognising dangerous situations and either avoiding them altogether or extricating yourself at the earliest moment practicable. Sitting there 10 feet from a guy who is growing more and more threatening and antagonistic to the point where he's walked over to your table to initiate a physical confrontation is just stupidity.

[KillSomething]

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[Primate]

Originally Posted by kyzz

Right, but you can't be dumb enough to think that it NEVER happens. I mean do you not wear a seatbelt because "you've never been in a car accident"?

Missed this the first time round. This is a flawed analogy, akin to wearing a mouthpiece and groin guard when you go to a nightclub, just in case some shit goes down.

A more apt analogy would've applying the brakes when you see everyone in front of you slowing down, instead of arrogantly pressing forward because you think you have a right to do so.

[BladeJrs]

The funniest thing about this is the fact that he's coming here to ask people who actually box competitively and/or recreationally, and all the answers he's getting are either that boxing doesn't necessarily translate to to the streets and/or that it's best to just avoid the confrontation. BOXERS are telling him boxing isn't the answer, yet he still doesn't want to listen.

Hilarious.

[furor celtica]

this guy WRITES gay. and i get angry just reading his posts. i wonder what it must be like in real life. personally i side with the homophobic thugs.

[DanielJFiasco]

The most relevant skills that boxing teaches you are how to make quick decisions and how to think and react under pressure. Of course you could always bump into somebody who has a knife/gun, but the way you diffuse or handle that situation can be improved, and if it were to happen to me I'd want to have my sharpened reflexes, and my ability to measure risk/reward that is developed from boxing.

There are things you can control and things you can't, but just because boxing wont help in EVERY situation doesn't mean you shouldn't give it a try.

[kyzz]

Originally Posted by BladeJrs

Dissecting posts into a million parts so you can give dumb responses to so many things makes you look even worse by the way.

So no response, gotcha

Originally Posted by Primate

You never should have let it reach that pitch in the first place.

My 5 senses allow me to control me and me only...I don't know any magic tricks at controlling the actions of others.

Take for instance someone yelling "you suck" at you from across the street, if you go and punch them in the face, it will be you who gets charged, not them. But that's not even an appropriate analogy given my scenario, which would be equivalent to someone screaming you suck, me saying I do not, and then them throwing the first punch.

Originally Posted by Primate

Where did you study psychology? Maybe this guy has a grudge now and next time he sees someone he perceives as a homosexual he won't open his fat mouth at all he'll just wander up behind them with a brick in his hand. Maybe he'll spot one of the girls you were with and decide to enforce his masculinity in a different way.

LOL! Oh yes, because I stood up for myself he's going to throw bricks at gay people and rape my female friends

Where did I study psychology? Hopefully it wasn't the same place you did...

Any decent self-defence school will tell you, 99% of self-defence is recognising dangerous situations and either avoiding them altogether or extricating yourself at the earliest moment practicable.

Agreed

Originally Posted by Primate

A more apt analogy would've applying the brakes when you see everyone in front of you slowing down, instead of arrogantly pressing forward because you think you have a right to do so.

So.....you're comparing my response to......manslaughter?

hahahahahahahahaha

[kyzz]

Originally Posted by KillSomething

Who said anything about stabbing anyone? You can't do it to everyone, but some folks will back off if they see you get serious about escalating. If you want to fight me, understand that it isn't going to end when you tap out or go limp. I'm going to do something bad to you.

Show them you mean business and they won't start shit.

And what if they don't you idiot? Have you ever considered that?

Like how retarded are you? In your fantasy world it involves showing a knife and people flying away when in reality he could've (instead of using his fists) walked away and grabbed a chair.

Clearly the issue is you have skewed views on masculinity and your own place in the world. Perhaps your willingness to engage in pointless fights which always result in you being hurt should serve as example, but we're all dumb here. It's the boy who doesn't know how to fight that knows more than us all combined about fighting.

Are you unable to distinguish between knowing how to fight and knowing how to fight well? And besides, what evidence do we have that YOU know how to fight? Watching Ali doesn't make you Ali (sorry if that killed some of your aspirations)

The way to win is to not fight. For me, pulling a weapon at the right time can end a situation. So can cracking the appropriate joke at the right time. Everyone is different, you can't respond the same to each threat.

Notice the contradiction, you go from saying:
-- > "The way to win is to not fight"
and then say
-- > "you can't respond the same to each threat."

Not taking into account that sometimes you're left with no choice. I know when you played cops and robbers with your brother and you pulled out your toy gun, your brother gave in. But if you're ever been in a volatile situation you'll know it's more complicated than that.

Your problem isn't so much that you act gay. It's that you're an immature asshole.

You're the one who keeps bringing up my sexual orientation when in reality it has and never had anything to do with my scenario. Maybe you're less at upset at my response and more upset that I'm willing to come out while you're struggling to