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Old 12-01-2007, 02:00 PM   #31
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How can you possibly surmize that Dempsey's power would have been too much for Lewis? Throughout his career, Lewis took shots from countless numbers of fighters who could bang. Mason, Klitschko, Golata, Grant, Bruno, Morrison and many others. I'd say his chin and durabity were very well tested to say the least. He was of course stoppe by Rahman and McCall, but one of those fights came when he was 35 years old, while the other was a possible pre-mature stoppage. In both cases McCall and Rahman were well over 200 Lbs, and not 190.
Dempsey was a better puncher than both McCall and Rahman. Lewis wouldn't be able to handle his speed and power.
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as expected a thread on Dempsey can't go with three or so pages with other fighters being mentioned and then turning into another hate thread" so and so fighter would crush him" blah blah blah. This thread is to discuss Dempsey only so let's keep it that way
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Old 12-01-2007, 02:05 PM   #33
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Dempsey was a better puncher than both McCall and Rahman. Lewis wouldn't be able to handle his speed and power.
Lewis was also a better puncher, boxer and overall athlete than just about everyone Dempsey ever fought. It works both ways. I also clearified in my other post that Lewis was 35 against Rahman, and the McCall fight wasn't exactly a clear cut knockout either.
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Old 12-01-2007, 02:06 PM   #34
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as expected a thread on Dempsey can't go with three or so pages with other fighters being mentioned and then turning into another hate thread" so and so fighter would crush him" blah blah blah. This thread is to discuss Dempsey only so let's keep it that way
Okay let's keep it to Dempsey then.

Did you know that Dempsey fought a journeman named Willie Meehan 5 times in his career and only came up with a win once?
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Old 12-01-2007, 02:08 PM   #35
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Okay let's keep it to Dempsey then.

Did you know that Dempsey fought a journeman named Willie Meehan 5 times in his career and only came up with a win once?
did u know how badly he was robbed especially in their last fight?
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How can you possibly surmize that Dempsey's power would have been too much for Lewis? Throughout his career, Lewis took shots from countless numbers of fighters who could bang. Mason, Klitschko, Golata, Grant, Bruno, Morrison and many others. I'd say his chin and durabity were very well tested to say the least. He was of course stoppe by Rahman and McCall, but one of those fights came when he was 35 years old, while the other was a possible pre-mature stoppage. In both cases McCall and Rahman were well over 200 Lbs, and not 190.
Power on its own is about as formidable as a wet letuce.

What Dempsey had that made him so firmidable was power combined with incredible technique and delivery. There is no puncher like Dempsey in heavyweight history. There might be middleweights with similar technique. There might be heavyweights who are as good in a diferent way like Louis or Tyson.

Dempsey could absolutely destroy any human being that he could land on with any consistency.
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did u know how badly he was robbed especially in their last fight?
Why don't you post the footage, given that you sound so sure of yourself as though you've seen it? Then I can decide for myself.
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Why don't you post the footage, given that you sound so sure of yourself as though you've seen it? Then I can decide for myself.
That cuts both ways.

In any event it was little more than an exhibition. Meehan refused several offers to meet Dempsey in a ten rounder. An no Meehan was not a journeyman.
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Why don't you post the footage, given that you sound so sure of yourself as though you've seen it? Then I can decide for myself.
well upwithevil posted newspaper reports of how bad a decision it was, there is no film of these fights.

Meehan was a slick and speedy boxer who wasn't bad. He had after all beaten Sam Langford and Jack Dillion if i am not wrong, hall of famers. His fights with Dempsey were four rounders and he didn;t want longer fights. The two "draws" and the last fight in particular were badly booed by the crowd
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Meehan was a slick and speedy boxer who wasn't bad. He had after all beaten Sam Langford and Jack Dillion if i am not wrong, hall of famers. His fights with Dempsey were four rounders and he didn;t want longer fights. The two "draws" and the last fight in particular were badly booed by the crowd
Meehan is a fascinating fighter in his own right.

He basicaly made a career out of beating hall of famers in four rounders.
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Power on its own is about as formidable as a wet letuce.

What Dempsey had that made him so firmidable was power combined with incredible technique and delivery. There is no puncher like Dempsey in heavyweight history. There might be middleweights with similar technique. There might be heavyweights who are as good in a diferent way like Louis or Tyson.

Dempsey could absolutely destroy any human being that he could land on with any consistency.
I thnk that the quality of an athletes abilities has to be measured based on who he actually applied them against. Dempsey's opposition was about 5 levels below Lewis's.
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Old 12-01-2007, 02:18 PM   #42
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Meehan is a fascinating fighter in his own right.

He basicaly made a career out of beating hall of famers in four rounders.
I think Meehan was a journeyman.
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I thnk that the quality of an athletes abilities has to be measured based on who he actually applied them against. Dempsey's opposition was about 5 levels below Lewis's.
I disagree.
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I think Meehan was a journeyman.
Then you either dont know what a journeyman is or dont know who Meehan was.

Journeymen dont regularly fight the best of their era on even terms.
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I disagree.
Precisely why this thread has existed needlessly for so long.
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