weight lifting...why such different views on it in boxing???????

[MrSmall]

Its an interesting topic that EVERYONE thinks they have a great opinion and they are right and everyone else is wrong, and will DEFEND IT TO THE DEATH, even if they lift or DON'T even lift, are strong or are piss weak, and injured or healthy, box or don't box etc etc etc.
sure its related to the male ego in some way.

[christos]

When use moderate ewights its better doing fast than slow?Because when i lift heavy weights i feel slow and stif.

[MrSmall]

always lift as as fast as possible, where your technique is still good.
you are slow and stiff because you are not used to it and weak, in time you will feel better.

[AndrewFFC]

Originally Posted by Bonkers

-ODH when he was in his prime didn't lift and he was very good(I don't remember the name of his best trainer, too many to recall).

-BHOP doesn't lift weights all old school shit as the main course. Then some new shit to augment it.
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1) So Oscar De La Hoya didnt lift weights, what at all does this prove?

2) I have seen videos of Hopkins lifting weights.

[MrSmall]

nobody ever in boxing ever lifted weights ever

[lefty]

Originally Posted by MrSmall

always lift as as fast as possible, where your technique is still good.
you are slow and stiff because you are not used to it and weak, in time you will feel better.

Why do you say that? If lifting maximum weight you have no choice but to lift slow. Weights have nothing to do with the velocity part of the force-velocity curve, the only time they do is if if you are lifting 30-60% of 1RM explosively or doing olympic lifts. If you are lifting for strength or hypertrophy there is absolutely no reason to try and lift a weight quickly.
The guy probably felt slow and stiff because when you start heavy weight training and placing stress on the eccentric part of contraction it takes a long time to recover due to cns fatigue, impaired range of motion and increased muscular swelling (not in a good way).
Either that or he was neglecting his boxing training.

[MrSmall]

Originally Posted by lefty

If you are lifting for strength or hypertrophy there is absolutely no reason to try and lift a weight quickly.

The guy probably felt slow and stiff because when you start heavy weight training and placing stress on the eccentric part of contraction it takes a long time to recover due to cns fatigue, impaired range of motion and increased muscular swelling (not in a good way).
Either that or he was neglecting his boxing training.

First part - I am speechless.

Second part - great buzzwords and scientific terms to just say "stiff and undertrained"! He is not used to lifting weights, of course he will be stiff and slow afterwards. If this goes on after EVERY single weights session (not right after, but a day, or a number of hours) he is not training properly with his sport in mind, i.e he is doing too much volume maybe, or bodybuilding methods that will take longer to recover from like slow negatives, multiple exercises for each isolated bodypart etc.
His boxing training should always be the priority, either way. if his boxing sucks still after a WHILE of adding the strength training, something needs changing. If its a few weeks then he just not used to both, possibly step the weights back a little bit, or anything else.

[KillSomething]

If you're lifting for strength you're supposed to lift as fast as possible and let it back with control. Even though the weight moves slow, the point is that you're moving it as fast as possible.

[lefty]

Originally Posted by MrSmall

First part - I am speechless.

Second part - great buzzwords and scientific terms to just say "stiff and undertrained"! He is not used to lifting weights, of course he will be stiff and slow afterwards. If this goes on after EVERY single weights session (not right after, but a day, or a number of hours) he is not training properly with his sport in mind, i.e he is doing too much volume maybe, or bodybuilding methods that will take longer to recover from like slow negatives, multiple exercises for each isolated bodypart etc.
His boxing training should always be the priority, either way. if his boxing sucks still after a WHILE of adding the strength training, something needs changing. If its a few weeks then he just not used to both, possibly step the weights back a little bit, or anything else.

Explain to me then why you would want to be lifting a weight quickly or how it would even be possible to move a weight at a fast velocity at 1RM? Don't be speechless, I actually want to know your rationale, not having a go.

Secondly I wasn't trying to sound scientific, I was making the point that if he's not experienced at weight training and he increases the intensity it's been shown that you won't have the protective effect from previous training and you will have decreased range of motion, your muscles will be swollen from the damage which would make you feel slow and stiff. As well as impaired neural function from the eccentric phase of whatever he's lifting. I thought it might be more helpful to explain why rather than just say 'you're not used to it and weak'.

Don't be so sensitive. Yeah it's true that I don't think you're very bright and I think that you're ego over anything of substance but I honestly wasn't having a go at you in anyway.

[lefty]

Originally Posted by KillSomething

If you're lifting for strength you're supposed to lift as fast as possible and let it back with control. Even though the weight moves slow, the point is that you're moving it as fast as possible.

Where do you get this thought from? I thought this idea was dead and buried in the 90s

Ultimate bodybuilding theory might not be good for fighters because of the oxygen needed to function the muscles and the stress they put on your body when training to increase your limit.

More muscle does make you technically slower.

David Haye was faster at the muscular heavyweight because he was killing himself to make 200 lbs.

If he bulked up to 300 lbs on pure muscle he will get slower and technically for every 1lb unless he’s cruisering.

Bodybuilders work to increase their limits......... on the other side of the spectrum weights is not bad either.

Just don’t lift the heaviest......... bodybuilders do that to be Arnie.

In fact weights are great.

And I think he meant fast as in effort......... righty.

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[lefty]

Originally Posted by Hypercube

Ultimate bodybuilding theory might not be good for fighters because of the oxygen needed to function the muscles and the stress they put on your body when training to increase your limit.

More muscle does make you technically slower.

David Haye was faster at the muscular heavyweight because he was killing himself to make 200 lbs.

If he bulked up to 300 lbs on pure muscle he will get slower and technically for every 1lb unless he’s cruisering.

Bodybuilders work to increase their limits......... on the other side of the spectrum weights is not bad either.

Just don’t lift the heaviest......... bodybuilders do that to be Arnie.

Bodybuilders actually have lots of hypertrophy of slow twitch fibres, the oxidative fibre. Peripheral adaptations have little effect on overall endurance fitness so I don't know why that myth gets passed around. Excess weight will slow anyone down as it's basic physics, more work is going to have to be performed to move the weight. If strength increases more in proportion than weight and speed/skill training is still performed then there is no reason why you would get slower.
To increase strength you need to lift heavy, only lift the heaviest. bodybuilders perform mostly low intensity training. If an athlete isn't training with heavy weights I don't see the point.