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Old 06-16-2011, 12:11 AM   #1
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He had a very good career in the heyday of the welterweight division, seemed to be able to hold his own with the best but not quite able to beat them.

I only ever saw his fight with Hearns, which was pretty impressive over a guy who was blowing through people at the time, and Randy was extremely durable and competitive.

Seen a few rounds here and there otherwise, but wanted some opinion of whether people think he could have been a world champ if he had come 5-10 years earlier or later.
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Old 06-16-2011, 12:15 AM   #2
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He had a very good career in the heyday of the welterweight division, seemed to be able to hold his own with the best but not quite able to beat them.

I only ever saw his fight with Hearns, which was pretty impressive over a guy who was blowing through people at the time, and Randy was extremely durable and competitive.

Seen a few rounds here and there otherwise, but wanted some opinion of whether people think he could have been a world champ if he had come 5-10 years earlier or later.
I remember reading about Sheilds in the magazines, starting around 1975. I didn't see him fight on TV until about 1980, though. Based on what I read and saw, I have no doubt that Shields would hold a piece of the world title today, at 140 or 147 lbs. Shields could probably have held a piece of the title in the late '80s and early '90s as well. In all cases, however, I don't know how long Shields could have held onto the belt once winning it.

Not a bad fighter.
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Wasnt he a porn star??
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Old 06-16-2011, 11:14 AM   #4
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Ah, Randy Shields! Great to see a thread on him..I had great admiration for the guy..how he was the first to go in there and take Cuevas to the distance...and the way he outboxed and rolled with Pipino's heavy artillery for 15..never came close to going down..same thing vs Hearns...though he was tko'ed, he was never in danger of going down...and against Leonard as well. Ironically, the guy that damaged him the most and decked him twice...with body shots...was Wilfred Benitez. I know Ransy won his fair share of fights, but I remember him most for his gallant stands against the names I mentioned. He had a skilled, defensive boxing style I admired and a really good chin...he looked like a breeze could blow him over but he was quite rugged and smart as well. He also lost a decision to pete ranzany, but I thought he was better fighter..certainly he could take a punch better than Ranzany..and he was smarter.
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Old 06-16-2011, 11:15 AM   #5
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I remember reading about Sheilds in the magazines, starting around 1975. I didn't see him fight on TV until about 1980, though. Based on what I read and saw, I have no doubt that Shields would hold a piece of the world title today, at 140 or 147 lbs. Shields could probably have held a piece of the title in the late '80s and early '90s as well. In all cases, however, I don't know how long Shields could have held onto the belt once winning it.

Not a bad fighter.
He wasn't a bad fighter at all..and I think he would definitely have held a title had he fought in a weaker era.
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Old 06-16-2011, 11:17 AM   #6
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Here's the first part of Sheilds-Cuevas...this fight impressed me about Sheilds..more even than Cuevas.
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKd-40aPazU[/ame]
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Old 06-16-2011, 11:19 AM   #7
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An interesting, brief piece about how Shields saved the lives of some people in a robbery in '92.
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Another interesting, longer piece on Shields..
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Old 06-16-2011, 12:01 PM   #9
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Old 06-16-2011, 01:00 PM   #10
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If Randy could have gotten a rematch with Pipino, he'd have probably gotten over the top. Cuevas certainly wasn't shy about taking on Angel Espada a third time after their second bout, a classic war of 12 rounds duration. But Hearns got to Pipino one year later, before Shields could work his way to a second title shot.

Questions can also be asked about what might have happened if Shields had not screwed up his shoulder by falling on it after tripping over a pothole while during roadwork in training for Hearns. Throughout his challenge of Tommy, he can be seen reaching back repeatedly to give it a quick massage during the action. Hearns did not punch him into defeat. Repeated accidental head butts were exclusively responsible for the stoppage credited to Tommy. After their match, Randy said he found himself able to muscle Hearns around in the clinches with increasing ease as the rounds went by. In an excellent prefight analysis he penned prior to SRL-Hearns I, he said he was certain that Tommy hit harder than Pipino, then provided a remarkably accurate forecast of that WW Title unification showdown, correctly predicting Ray's win.

Ultimately, two things torpedoed Randy's chances at getting to a title, a susceptibility to cuts, and a lack of punching power. When he clashed heads with Hearns, it was he whose skin opened up. And with more power, he would have been able to produce at least one knockdown of Cuevas, resulting in a title winning margin of victory.

Ranzany-Shields II was a superb scrap taped and broadcast on Bass and Lederman's syndicated "Cavalcade of Boxing," which saw Randy generate a desperate rally after getting cut, hammering Pete furiously against the ropes, but he just didn't have the necessary power to get Ranzany out of there before it had to be stopped. (Only Cuevas and SRL ever punched out Machine Gun Pete, otherwise, the bull strong Armando Muniz also halted Ranzany on cuts in six.)
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Old 06-16-2011, 01:12 PM   #11
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If Randy could have gotten a rematch with Pipino, he'd have probably gotten over the top. Cuevas certainly wasn't shy about taking on Angel Espada a third time after their second bout, a classic war of 12 rounds duration. But Hearns got to Pipino one year later, before Shields could work his way to a second title shot.

Questions can also be asked about what might have happened if Shields had not screwed up his shoulder by falling on it after tripping over a pothole while during roadwork in training for Hearns. Throughout his challenge of Tommy, he can be seen reaching back repeatedly to give it a quick massage during the action. Hearns did not punch him into defeat. Repeated accidental head butts were exclusively responsible for the stoppage credited to Tommy. After their match, Randy said he found himself able to muscle Hearns around in the clinches with increasing ease as the rounds went by. In an excellent prefight analysis he penned prior to SRL-Hearns I, he said he was certain that Tommy hit harder than Pipino, then provided a remarkably accurate forecast of that WW Title unification showdown, correctly predicting Ray's win.

Ultimately, two things torpedoed Randy's chances at getting to a title, a susceptibility to cuts, and a lack of punching power. When he clashed heads with Hearns, it was he whose skin opened up. And with more power, he would have been able to produce at least one knockdown of Cuevas, resulting in a title winning margin of victory.
I agree with this..Duodenum, Shields was a pretty good fighter over all. I was most impressed with how he dealt with Cuevas's power shots..he slipped and dodged these shots so well, and when nailed, he took it most impressively..quite a rugged guy to look so fragile.
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Ironic that it was Benitez who damaged him the most.
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Ironic that it was Benitez who damaged him the most.
That is one of the seemingly bizarre ironies of the entire era, how El Radar could put him on the deck when Hearns, SRL, Cuevas and McCrory couldn't. But the allegation that Benitez couldn't hit stems mainly from Palomino describing Wilfred as, "the lightest hitter I ever fought. All fight long, tap-tap-tap. I wish I felt stronger." But SRL was adamant that, "I say Wilfredo Benitez can hit!" He was also as accurate a puncher as he was elusive. Unlike SRL, he didn't telegraph his shots, so Duran and Shields couldn't have the same success in trying to make him miss that they did Ray (who missed an awful lot against all three).

Benitez didn't look powerful against the strong and durable skilled types like Cervantes, SRL, Weston, Jr. and Palomino, and countering off the ropes took away a lot of his force, but put him on the front foot and watch out! Trying to confuse and outsmart him by making him go on the attack was a good way to get your head knocked off. Tony Petronelli, Johnny Turner and Maurice Hope all learned that the hard way, and they all tasted dirt. Chiaverini did get stopped in eight, but he carried a persistent attack to the ropes and was never close to going down as a result. Benitez-Chiaverini was a very one sided shellacking, but Tony at least got away with his head clear and marbles intact, able to provide a perfectly lucid and articulate post fight interview. (He was obviously bushed and demoralized, but his face was unmarked. Tony wasn't a bleeder.)
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Very interesting thread on an unsung fighter. Shields had an interesting career no doubt. I do remember him stating Hearns hit harder than Cuevas. Of course, he may have thought Benitez also hit harder than Pipino since he was stopped by him. Wouldn't that be ironic?

Sonny Shields, Randy's father, besides being a trainer, also worked as a stuntman and actor. I remember he had a small speaking part in one of the early Friday the 13th movies. He ended up getting knifed by the killer.

Glad to see this highlighting of one of the solid lesser known fighters. A nice break from the usual Ali, Marciano, De La Hoya threads.
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Old 06-16-2011, 02:32 PM   #15
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That is one of the seemingly bizarre ironies of the entire era, how El Radar could put him on the deck when Hearns, SRL, Cuevas and McCrory couldn't. But the allegation that Benitez couldn't hit stems mainly from Palomino describing Wilfred as, "the lightest hitter I ever fought. All fight long, tap-tap-tap. I wish I felt stronger." But SRL was adamant that, "I say Wilfredo Benitez can hit!" He was also as accurate a puncher as he was elusive. Unlike SRL, he didn't telegraph his shots, so Duran and Shields couldn't have the same success in trying to make him miss that they did Ray (who missed an awful lot against all three).

Benitez didn't look powerful against the strong and durable skilled types like Cervantes, SRL, Weston, Jr. and Palomino, and countering off the ropes took away a lot of his force, but put him on the front foot and watch out! Trying to confuse and outsmart him by making him go on the attack was a good way to get your head knocked off. Tony Petronelli, Johnny Turner and Maurice Hope all learned that the hard way, and they all tasted dirt. Chiaverini did get stopped in eight, but he carried a persistent attack to the ropes and was never close to going down as a result. Benitez-Chiaverini was a very one sided shellacking, but Tony at least got away with his head clear and marbles intact, able to provide a perfectly lucid and articulate post fight interview. (He was obviously bushed and demoralized, but his face was unmarked. Tony wasn't a bleeder.)
Great analysis Duodenum..I sure had my eyes opened in the Maurice Hope fight...Wilfred crushed him..and I realized that it was a case of commitment to sitting down on his punches that Benitez forsook in most cases to instead parlay his defensive wizardry..and not that he just plain couldn't punch. He just felt confident in his power in that Hope match...poor Maurice.
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