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Old 06-21-2011, 09:27 PM   #46
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This...

There's so much money to be made between the three of them over the next 18months it's not funny.
if wlad wins as he is expected to do, more than likely in a bit of a boring unanimous points decision contest, then i don't see haye getting another shot against either klit.
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They should make a weekly tv series about it.
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They should make a weekly tv series about it.
It would be too far fetched.
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Yeah, they'd probably go down the Sallywinder path of government conspiracies and coverups and whatnot.
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Found out that Wladimir has been sparring Steve Cunningham. Can't knock that for a sparring partner.
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Found out that Wladimir has been sparring Steve Cunningham. Can't knock that for a sparring partner.
True that!
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Found out that Wladimir has been sparring Steve Cunningham. Can't knock that for a sparring partner.
Good idea....hes fast enough

Make sure your lovely wife is home fight day to console you mate....your going to be sad when Wlad stopps Haye
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Found out that Wladimir has been sparring Steve Cunningham. Can't knock that for a sparring partner.

Consistent with the rumour that Cunningham wants to move up to heavy as well Ippy.
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Good idea....hes fast enough

Make sure your lovely wife is home fight day to console you mate....your going to be sad when Wlad stopps Haye
Ha ha. I haven't been affected by a boxing result for years when one of my favourites is beaten, especially as an underdog. The closer the fight gets, the more I think Wladimir is going to fight like he doesn't want to be there at all.

The scary thing about Haye is that he believes he's as good as he says he is. I don't think he is, but when was the last time Wladimir fought a "live" opponent? If there's any self doubt in Klitschko's mind, it'll be there for all to see.
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Klitschko: I dislike Haye the man but as a boxer he makes me nervous


The doctor is in. Dr Steel Hammer, a faintly comical nickname for one of the world’s heavyweight champions, is bandaging his own hands.

In the room next door, visible through internal windows, Lipizzan stallions are being groomed for the historic riding school in Vienna.

Wladimir Klitschko is being put through his paces three weeks before following the horses down this Austrian mountain to face an Englishman in what he admits will be ‘the most serious challenge of my career’.
Wladimir Klitschko is braced for a stern test when he faces David Haye

Having a breather: Klitschko is braced for a stern test when he faces David Haye in their world heavyweight unification fight next month

While he cannot deny that ‘David Haye the person p****s me off’, Klitschko, 35, confesses to having ‘flamingos, not just butterflies, in my stomach about facing David Haye the boxer’.

This giant of a man has been offended by Haye’s wearing of a T-shirt which depicted he and his brother Vitali, 39, with their heads knocked off and blood gushing from their necks.

‘Vitali was so angered the first time we saw it that the fight almost took place there and then,’ Wladimir says.

The elder Klitschko grabbed Haye by the neck and had to be pulled away.

Now Wladimir is challenging London’s holder of the WBA title to wear the T-shirt again prior to their July 2 fight, saying: ‘I doubt he’ll do it because he looked stupid. Although he won’t admit it, I believe he regrets crossing the line. He has not been so ****y at our meetings since. He’s not basically a bad man. He just lost his head.’

Nor do those antics diminish his respect for Haye’s boxing ability: ‘He is very fast, heavy-handed and dangerous.’

So, as a prizefighter who has been knocked out three times, what gifts does he possess to justify his conviction that he will beat this menace? ‘Not just size,’ says this 6ft 8in holder of the IBF, WBO and IBO titles.

‘I have the education. You must have the competitive instinct, courage, health and mental strength. But it is education which closes the entire deal. It helps me that I studied to be a doctor, travelled and learned languages (five in total).

‘David tries to make fun of me by saying I sound like Borat. But of course I do — I was born in Kazakhstan before my family moved to Ukraine. He needs to learn. I will educate him in the ring. In boxing history, men who behave badly like this end up being punished. I will teach him how to behave.’

That belief drives the brothers Klitschko to keep educating impoverished children at their sports schools around the world, with another 10 scheduled to be added this year to the 85 already open.
It is another reason why Wladimir hopes that Haye will turn up this time for a fight in which one of them will unify most of the titles in boxing’s marquee division. At a charity auction for his foundation, a wealthy woman bid half a million dollars for the privilege of carrying one of his belts into the ring at Hamburg’s football stadium.

He says: ‘It worries me that at the end of my visit to London he could not bring himself to be on the same television set with me. Two years ago he pulled out of fighting me. Now he can’t come out of a little room in that studio and be in my presence. I believe Osama Bin Laden’s house is available now. Perhaps he should run away and hide there.

‘He can’t even shake my hand. He has to be taught boxing is a sport for gentlemen. There was controversy around the fight between Joe Louis and Max Schmeling (the black world champion fighting the reluctant tool of Nazi Germany) but they shook hands.’

Big Wlad has just finished eight rounds of sparring with smaller Haye impersonators. No detail escapes his attention. Films of Haye’s fights are continuously replayed on TV screens on three sides of the ring. ‘I keep the picture of him constantly in my mind,’ he says. ‘I know what to expect. He is a powerful threat but he is a natural cruiserweight and this will be the first time he has faced a real heavyweight.’

Discipline is the watch-word in this Teutonic corner of Europe. While Klitschko absorbs the physiological benefits of training at altitude — almost 2,500 feet — the horses are taught to stand motionless before cross-stepping across the indoor arena.


Klitschko says: ‘I know I have to take David seriously but I love the attention this fight is bringing. Millions will be watching in 140 countries. There will be 50,000 fans in the stadium and they will generate energy in me.

‘This will be my fourth fight in a football ground and the atmosphere excites me. This is David’s first and, while he talks a lot, we will see how it affects his confidence on the night. I will give the people 12 rounds of boxing and then knock him out at the end. But when you fight the best, there is a risk.’

For Emanuel Steward this luxurious skiing, hiking and riding spa in Tyrol is light years removed from the fabled Kronk Gym in Detroit where he produced legendary champions like Tommy Hearns.

As he braces Klitschko to face the Hayemaker, his take on the fight is equally contradictory.
In one interview, Steward says: ‘Wladimir will knock him out in four rounds.’

In another, he says: ‘David is as quick as Sugar Ray Leonard and hits as hard as Mike Tyson. We respect him more than any of Wladimir’s previous opponents. This is a must-win fight for Wladimir because this is the fight which will define his career. If he loses all his accomplishments so far will not be remembered.
Wladimir will seek to wear down the lightning Haye

Fight plan: Wladimir will seek to wear down the lightning Haye

‘So, while I always have confidence in my fighters, this time I also have anxieties. David also has the mindset of a champion. Fighters are made inside themselves. He has the arrogance and belief of a winner.

‘Then I remember that he has not yet fought a real live heavyweight. Audley Harrison? Please. He cannot hope to out-box Wladimir. He will have to gamble. Come out aggressive and hope to catch my man.’

Steward rates Klitschko as ‘the most talented heavyweight’ since he guided Lennox Lewis to the undisputed heavyweight crown.

He says: ‘Other than them both being British, you can’t compare Lewis and Haye. Lennox was a full-blown, solid heavyweight. Against Wladimir, David has to prove he can be what Joe Frazier was to Muhammad Ali. If so, he will find himself in the biggest heavyweight fight since Lewis versus Tyson.

‘He needs this fight as much as boxing needs it. Whoever wins. The public won’t buy another David versus Audley.’

Wladimir is promising fireworks. He says: ‘At 35, I am in my prime. He will be my 50th knockout.’

Maybe so. But you couldn’t tell it from the sparring here. At one point, Klitschko was wrestled to the canvas by one of his smaller helpers and the famous left jab was not working at its usual, piston-pounding efficiency.

Not that public workouts, in which fighters are reluctant to show their hand, are a reliable litmus test. Certainly not this far from the big night.

‘This is only my second week of sparring,’ says Klitschko.

‘I have almost three more weeks to go. I am where I want to be at this stage.’

However, restrained as he was, he could not help but reveal some clues. He already looks leaner and lighter than when he has entered the ring for some of his recent fights.

He also spent much of the time leaning on his sparring partners, which the even bigger Nikolai Valuev conspicuously failed to do when Haye danced away with his WBA title in Germany in 2009.
All for one: Klitschko with his corner team looking relaxed in the build-up to the July 2 showdown

Part of the strategy will be to slow and wear down the lightning Haye, not only with that metronome jab but by the sheer weight of the 6ft 8in presence which his rival curiously avoided at the conclusion of their publicity tour.

And, while Haye is preparing amid the bustle of central London, Klitschko believes this lofty retreat gives him other advantages in addition to his size. Not just the altitude, as he explains: ‘The air is fresh and clean up here. I feel very healthy and strong. And there are none of the distractions which would surround me if I was training at home in Hamburg.’

That said he waves his huge right fist at the cameras, saying ‘This is the hand you refuse to shake, Mr Haye. Perhaps you are wise. It does magic.’

The hills are alive to the sound of musings.
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Freddie Roach: David Haye will beat Wladimir Klitschko in heavyweight title fight if he uses his power early

By Gareth A Davies, Boxing Correspondent

The world’s leading trainer, Freddie Roach, believes David Haye can defeat Wladimir Klitschko if he "undermines his confidence early in the contest" when the two world heavyweight champions collide in Hamburg in 10 days’ time.

Roach, speaking exclusively to The Daily Telegraph, believes Klitschko has weaknesses against smaller, aggressive fighters who can put the giant Ukrainian, unbeaten in 13 successive heavyweight fights over five years, under physical and mental duress.

"The key to this fight for Haye is to take Wladimir’s confidence away, and do it early," he said. "Take him out of his comfort zone.

"I think Haye has a great opportunity if he goes out there early and uses his power, and tries to take Wladimir’s confidence away. That’s the best way for him to fight this, but Haye needs to take that window of opportunity.

“Being forced anywhere outside Wladimir’s comfort zone is his greatest weakness. He does lack confidence as a fighter and we discussed it when I trained him."

Roach worked in training camps, and in the corner over four fights, as Klitschko’s assistant trainer. And in spite of the 6ft 7ins tall Ukrainian, who currently holds the IBF, WBO and IBO heavyweight titles, having defended the world title 10 times in succession, Roach believes Haye’s "speed and explosiveness", not to mention his killer instinct when he has an opponent in trouble, are major plusses in his armoury against the bigger man.
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"I don’t see David Haye as the underdog in this fight. I trained Wlad Klitschko, he is a friend, and so is David Haye a friend of mine. It’s one of the best fights out there, and a good fight for the heavyweight division," said Roach.

"Listen, Klitschko’s a very good boxer. Once he gets into a rhythm, and gets that jab going, he’s very difficult to beat because he has good power and a size advantage. He’s also one of the best heavyweight athletes I’ve ever seen. I said to him one day - “You’re a great athlete”. But you know what he said to me? "I wish I could fight". The key to beating someone like that is to take their mental confidence away straight away. Haye can do that with his power, but not by boxing Wlad."

Roach believes a Haye victory could ignite interest in the heavyweight division. "I like guys who like to fight. Haye believes in himself, he talks a bit of bull, but he's just trying to ignite interest in the fight. He's young, exciting, and charismatic.

"Haye's the best thing for the heavyweight division right now, because he comes to fight, he comes to win, and he's a puncher.

"That's what heavyweight boxing should be all about. The Klitschko brothers are great boxers but they are boring. They don't take risks. You've got to go for it in this sport, and give 100 per cent.

"Manny Pacquiao is popular because he comes to exchange with you, he wants to fight. Once in a while he gets hit, but that is part of the game. Haye is the spark the heavyweight division needs right now."
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David Haye inspired by Joe Calzaghe plan to leave boxing at the top after Wladimir Klitschko clash

WBA world heavyweight champion David Haye sought the council of former world super-middleweight champion Joe Calzaghe this week revealing that the Welshman's desire to leave the sport while at its very top, and unbeaten, inspired him to map an exit route after his desire to unify the main four world titles.

By Gareth A Davies, Boxing Correspondent

Haye is adamant that he will leave the sport by the end of October. Calzaghe, who retired in 2008 with 46 wins and no defeats in a sixteen year career, visited Haye's south London gym on Tuesday evening to witness a two hour workout behind closed doors. Calzaghe disclosed that the British fighter currently "looks like a heavyweight and is moving and punching with the speed of a middleweight" ahead of his world heavyweight unification clash with Wladimir Klitschko a week on Saturday, in Hamburg.

“Joe went about things the way all boxers aspire to," said Haye, 30, who meets IBF, WBO and IBO world heavyweight champion Klitschko on July 2 at the Imtech Arena.

"He defeated every opponent put in his way and then retired with his zero intact. Joe is one of the few guys to have the talent and intelligence to achieve his goals and get out when the going was good. That has been an inspiration for my own plan in boxing. To beat the best and then go out and leave at the top."

The blockbuster match-up, two and a half years in the making, has reignited Calzaghe's interest in a sport he once dominated, and the former two-weight world champion sat through two hours of workouts with Haye on Tuesday evening, before the pair exchanged views on Klitschko.

Haye added: “Whenever I see Joe at ringside watching me prepare, it gives me added impetus to do well. He knows what he's talking about and knows what it's like to be involved in these sort of big unification title fights. As far as experts go, none come more experienced than Joe."

“I got a real kick out of seeing Joe sat ringside, and it was especially nice to see him standing and clapping at the end of the rounds. If I can sense Joe is impressed by what he's seeing, I know I'm in a very good place.”

Calzaghe, who retired in 2008 as the former WBO, IBF, WBA and WBC world super-middleweight champion and defeated the legendary Bernard Hopkins to highlight his superiority as a light-heavyweight, explained: "I have been looking forward to this fight for years now, and it's just great to see David looking in such awesome shape. expected him to look sharp and fit, but he looks even better than I could have ever imagined. I have been lucky enough to see David prepare for his last few fights, and I don't think I've ever seen him look in shape like this."

“I always love seeing David go through his paces. He is such a dynamic and exciting fighter to watch – he's my kind of fighter. He's quick, sharp and classy and throws punches with bad intentions. David is one of the most exciting fighters in the world right now, and even his gym sessions are more exciting than many actual fights.”

“The punch power he is showing on the pads is frightening, and everything is thrown with speed. He's moving like a middleweight with heavyweight power at the moment, and that can only be a good thing.

“He's very lean and mobile, too. It's extremely refreshing to see a heavyweight throwing seven and eight punch combinations and looking like they are able to throw 100 punches per round, if needed. David is well on course right now.”

Haye, the WBA champion meets IBF, WBO and IBO world heavyweight champion Wladimir Klitschko on July 2 at the Imtech Arena, live on Sky Sports HD Box Office.
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Ha ha. I haven't been affected by a boxing result for years when one of my favourites is beaten, especially as an underdog. The closer the fight gets, the more I think Wladimir is going to fight like he doesn't want to be there at all.

The scary thing about Haye is that he believes he's as good as he says he is. I don't think he is, but when was the last time Wladimir fought a "live" opponent? If there's any self doubt in Klitschko's mind, it'll be there for all to see.
Geez mate...your a hard task master.....lets take a look last 6 years looking for "live opponents" and removing a few passed their best opponents

Chambers 35-1...ranked top 7 at the time USA best hope at the time
Chagaev 25-0....WBA HW Champ at the time
Thompson 31-1...Still dangerous and world ranked...ranked second in the USA now
Ibragimov 22-0....WBO Champ at the time (beat your boy 5 years ago )
Brewster 33-3......WBO Champ (avenged his loss of a few years back)
Brock 29-0..........undefeated fighter with some good wins
Byrd 39-2..........IBF HW Champ at the time
Peter 24-0........World champ later in career

Clear to see Wlad has taken on the best and took their belts when they were on offer

Haye's going down and Wlad will be unified World HW champ
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Wlad has been in a weak Heavyweight era....but IMO he has always tried to fight the best available....its just the best were mediocre.
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