Never Gymless: Opinions

[patch1983]

The reason he uses Dumbbell in his book is because not everyone has room for a weight set at home. like he says you can use the principles with barbells or any other equipment. He does encourage people to use barbells on his site. Just that you don't need them.

[patch1983]

Virus i was not talking about him lying about finding him offensive. Could not care less if he likes the bloke. The lies were about his training methods.

[MrSmall]

LIES!!! BLASPHEMY!
Obviously I'm not, but you think I am because I disagree with the guy.. and you are proving my point about his followers.
So I won't clog up this thread anymore!

Bottom line, it is effective training! And I have both of the original books.

[Primate]

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[patch1983]

I am not a follower. I don't post on his forum and I don't do any of his workouts. I have however learnt a lot from him. He puts out a lot of free videos, articles and will help anyone who emails him. Also his products are very cheap.

I quoted the bits that you made up.

[MrSmall]

ok.

[Johnboy2007]

Originally Posted by patch1983

I am not a follower. I don't post on his forum and I don't do any of his workouts. I have however learnt a lot from him. He puts out a lot of free videos, articles and will help anyone who emails him. Also his products are very cheap.

I quoted the bits that you made up.

then kindly piss off your not qualified to comment

[Matt Ldn]

Another question Mr Small while i have your attention, youve said many times in this thread that the people who follow Ross religiously generally have fairly low strength relative to people who train similar amounts. Is this due to lack of weights do you think?? if not why is this? Im not overly obsessed with strength but i would like to have fairly decent strength whilst maintaining low weight (for boxing) and will have access to a proper weights gym in a few months.

[MrSmall]

Originally Posted by Matt Ldn

Another question Mr Small while i have your attention, youve said many times in this thread that the people who follow Ross religiously generally have fairly low strength relative to people who train similar amounts. Is this due to lack of weights do you think?? if not why is this? Im not overly obsessed with strength but i would like to have fairly decent strength whilst maintaining low weight (for boxing) and will have access to a proper weights gym in a few months.

No this is not what I meant!
What I meant was - that people WILL get stronger using his methods. But because it is mostly bodyweight variations, or home made equipment of some sort, the actual weight used is limited so the scope for progress is limited.
BUT, you WILL get stronger, and you will be stronger than people that don't do any strength training, however compared to people who use compound weights exercises as their mainstay in their strength training, they will be weaker. As a beginner, anything you do will see fast and effective gains, so its up to you really.
I would say the benefit of doing the stuff in his book for strength training is more equipment/convenience sake, and due to the limited or very controlled resistances, you are unlikely to injure yourself. While effective, it isn't the best thing you can do to develop your strength. But not being the best thing doesn't mean it won't work at all.
If you have access to a squat rack, or running track, or a shotput, or any free weights, its a no brainer for me. If your equipment is limited or you want to give it a go or don't want to spend the time learning proper technique with the barbell lifts, then it is a decent alternative.

And Johnboy,

[patch1983]

then kindly piss off your not qualified to comment

I have done his workouts in the past and I still use the ideas in the book. The sample workouts and program is not the point of the book (which many of you seem to not understand). The idea is for you to create your own workouts/program to fit your needs.

[patch1983]

But because it is mostly bodyweight variations, or home made equipment of some sort

This is wrong.

[patch1983]

From his website

"I am interested in starting Rosstraining. Can you please provide more information regarding a starting point, including background information regarding your system?"

Many ask this question expecting a detailed response regarding the specifics of a RossTraining system. Unfortunately, no such system exists, hence no such response. RossTraining is simply the URL (Uniform Resource Locator) for this website. My name is Ross, I train athletes, so RossTraining was a natural title for the site.


The fact that I do not preach a one size fits all method does not mean that I do not have beliefs regarding effective training principles. Clearly, there are several principles that make sense when it comes to training, but how you apply the principles will depend on several unique factors (ex. interests, needs, strengths, weaknesses, schedule, experience, etc.).

Successful training is all about finding what works for you. My goal with this website is to help you find your way, by providing sound, real world tested and science supported training advice. There will never be a “do it my way or else” tone to this site, as such an approach goes against everything that I believe in as an athlete and coach.

[patch1983]

Why did you exclude barbells from the Infinite Intensity manual?

When I began writing Infinite Intensity, one of my primary goals was to create a program that could be performed without access to a state-of-the-art gym. The goal was not to dismiss the use of barbells, but rather to demonstrate that more simplistic methods can be equally effective. There is nothing wrong with barbell training however. Barbells happen to be a tremendous strength developer. I will likely discuss barbell training in future writings.

Yet, whether or not you wish to use barbells, I still advocate unilateral training. There are clear benefits (ex. coordination, stabilization requirements, the ability to target specific imbalances, etc.). A complete strength plan should include a unilateral element.

Furthermore, much of my material is focused on specific principles. Examples of such principles include understanding the importance of program creation, understanding the importance of work capacity, understanding the need for all around development (ie. strength, conditioning, core training, etc..), and so on. Clearly, one can mix and match various modalities to target these needs.

The principles discussed throughout the text are not tool specific. On the contrary, each modality is nothing but a means to an end. That end point (development of a complete athlete) is what ultimately matters. The principles from the text can be applied to various tools, therefore integrated into a complete plan

[MrSmall]

You didn't even understand what I was talking about.
You just took offense because I don't like the guy or said he made money, really.

[patch1983]

If you are going to post opinions on someone at least know what you are talking about.

He is not saying you should only do exercises using your bodyweight and homemade equipment.