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Old 06-26-2011, 04:33 AM   #1
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i asked yesterday in a thread if decision's like the one yesterday for sturm might make credible contenders stay away from germany .when it appears you have to KO the german fighter to get a draw.

then by magic overnight the thread vanished with-out explanation. does this mean that quite a few girlie germans cried to the mods and it was removed . come on germans be honest there is something wrong in german boxing
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Old 06-26-2011, 05:27 AM   #2
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Yiddle, it wasn't a robbery at all, it was a close fight that could have gone either way. A draw or a close points decision in favour of any of the two would have been acceptable, imo. Sturms performance no doubt was dissapointing, his trying to fight toe to toe with the guest was plain wrong strategy, his style can never be that of a slugger, he lacks the workrate for it, and the punching power, he should have stuck to the jab and move style thats made him successful, keeping the guy at bey, fighting from the outside. He s become so immobile, especially lacked lateral movement which would have been the key yesterday.

But it was no robbery, it simply was a close fight, which in itself speaks badly of sturms performance, because the guest as busy, ambitious and game as he was, is a one dimensional fighter.
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Old 06-26-2011, 05:50 AM   #3
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To me this was a clear robbery, and I am not boxing in Germany hater. No way in the world did Sturn win more than 4-5 rounds, I mean, you need to actually land punches to win rounds.
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Old 06-26-2011, 05:56 AM   #4
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Sturm did land the cleaner shots while the guest was way busier overall, though it has to be said the majority of his shots were blocked by sturms gloves and thus come under the label of called ineffective aggresiveness
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Old 06-26-2011, 06:01 AM   #5
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You lot get that mixed up, clear robberies is what you see when german based fighters fight for a title in the states, all of them have been robbed, Schulz vs foreman, sturm vs de la hoya and most recently zbik vs Chavez, even grigorian freitas was dodgy.

In this one here, had Macklin taken the title by a 115-113 verdict Id not have complained as he worked more and by quite a bit. It has to be noted, he did land on Sturms arms/gloves a lot, he did fade towards the end, he did fight the titleholder in his backyard, he wasnt rocking or wobbling sturm at no moment, all in all it would have been insolence to expect a clear verdict for the guest under these circumstances. Its calling for a rematch and from what sturm said there will be one.
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Old 06-26-2011, 06:09 AM   #6
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flurry i think the absolute best sturm could of hoped for was a home decision lucky draw (which he did not deserve)by the way i had expected sturm to win by UD.

if you were an oversea's fighter or manager of a fighter going for world honours would you take a fighter to germany to face a german champion .i would look for a different path myself and in the long run that will only hurt boxing in germany surely
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Old 06-26-2011, 06:56 AM   #7
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Same BS as susual, a close fight and itīs a robbery. Who were the same people a few weeks back when the same happened in Mexico with Chavez-Zbik? Or where were the same people when the corrupt ref waved the fight of as soon as Cleverly landed a solid punch in his last outing? Double standards and whining ... get over it.
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Old 06-26-2011, 07:00 AM   #8
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Same BS as susual, a close fight and itīs a robbery. Who were the same people a few weeks back when the same happened in Mexico with Chavez-Zbik? Or where were the same people when the corrupt ref waved the fight of as soon as Cleverly landed a solid punch in his last outing? Double standards and whining ... get over it.
not double standards at all bodhi the zbik fight i have not seen so i cant comment on that one, but the cleverly fight was a stopped way to quickly and the vast majority of uk boxing fans slammed that decision.so shut the **** up with the double standards and whining bollocks you are trying to cloud the issue with.
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Old 06-26-2011, 07:12 AM   #9
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not double standards at all bodhi the zbik fight i have not seen so i cant comment on that one, but the cleverly fight was a stopped way to quickly and the vast majority of uk boxing fans slammed that decision.so shut the **** up with the double standards and whining bollocks you are trying to cloud the issue with.
I wonder if you cried robbery too when Froch won that close fight with Dirrell
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Old 06-26-2011, 07:28 AM   #10
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IMO Macklin won by 1-2 rounds, but this wasnīt a robbery. A draw would have been OK as well. There were close rounds in which either of them could be called a winner of the round. I wished for Mack to win, he has pitbull -like attitude and keeps on pressing his opponent. What was surprising was how clueless Sturm seemed in various occasions when Mack got his barrage in full gear. Where was Sturms jab? After the fight I was thinking that we just might see similar start in Wlad vs Haye next Saturday.

Alexander vs Matthysse was a robbery. There was clear rounds (at least 5 + KD) in which nobody can see Devon as the winner. Also Kotelnik got robbed against Alexander if my memory serves well.
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Old 06-26-2011, 07:36 AM   #11
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I repeat if Macklin - who fought with a lot of heart - had walked away with the title after a 115-113 in his favour I d have said "fair decision", but the fight was too close to call a SD in Sturms favour a robbery.


The most intrigueing thing I learned was sturm's sliding by all accounts, his best assets always used to be his jab and his mobility, in the last few rounds you could see what a mobile and active sturm could have done to macklin had he kept it up but things the way they were for the majority of the fight he stood still behind his gloved glued to his face defence awaiting for maklin to unleash and throwing occasional (though often accurate) counters. THis was barely enough for macklin but they re other calibres out there.
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Old 06-26-2011, 08:04 AM   #12
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I had it 115-113 to Sturm.

And I wanted Macklin to win.
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Old 06-26-2011, 08:41 AM   #13
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Germany thinks Macklin won easily

Axel Schulz gave Macklin 9 rounds
Sebastian Zbik gave Macklin 10 rounds
Sat.1 (broadcasting channel) online viewers voting 75% of the Germans had Macklin winning
veteran official Jean-Marcel Nartz called the decision "a disgrace to the sport of boxing in Germany"
the artical says Sturm got an undeserved gift and the decision was scandalous and most spectators were shocked when the decision was announced
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obvioulsy not not everyone from Germany is clueless joke like Flurry and bodhi
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Old 06-26-2011, 08:57 AM   #14
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One line viewers mean shit, many of them dont even know how a boxing fight is scored. According to your own article the judge who came up with the 115-113 score in favour of Macklin was the "more realistic" one, that's incidentally the same score I felt would have been fairest (see above), and thats a far cry from a robbery. Schulz saw him three instead of two rounds ahead,
zbik and former matchmaker nartz were out of line with their scoring, as simple as that, whats concerned with zbik, one shouldnt forget he s a home rival of sturms and the worse sturm's performance is protrayed the better for zbik, who himself got robbed in a title fight in the states last month.
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Old 06-26-2011, 09:08 AM   #15
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Boxing news calls it a "robbery" but aside of using this term backs my opinion of the fight 100%:


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"One judge gave the bout rightfully to Macklin in an extremely close contest scoring it 115-113. "


"However, the other two judges both scored the bout 116-112! That is by far the widest wrong decision I have seen in a while as Macklin’s work rate was tremendous throughout never stopping even for breath. Sturm was always dangerous and played a huge part in possibly the fight of the year.


Sturm in small bursts showed champion quality especially in the last round which if it had gone any longer Macklin would have been knocked out. Last round aside Macklin deserved the win if not then at least a draw. "


The author of the article basically says a 115-113 score would have been most correct, yet admits macklin at least deserved a draw.
How the **** can that be a robbery as witless user escupita claimed?
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