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Old 06-30-2011, 10:19 AM   #1
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Default hellenius ~vs~ haye?

who'll win if they fight?
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Old 06-30-2011, 10:21 AM   #2
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Helenius, chin is too good.
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Old 06-30-2011, 01:15 PM   #3
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Helenuis has a punchers chance at this stage but a good punchers chance, he's still to raw. Needs to have about 20 fights under his belt before taking on a top 6 boxer imo. I give him a 30% chance of beating Haye.
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Old 06-30-2011, 04:02 PM   #4
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Haye'd smash him to pieces
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Old 06-30-2011, 04:31 PM   #5
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Helenius KO. Hayes chin is too bad to take anything from Helenius.

Also their sparring were very steady
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Old 06-30-2011, 04:36 PM   #6
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I heard Haye dropped hellenius in sparring
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Old 06-30-2011, 04:53 PM   #7
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Helenius by murder. Bigger, much better chin, and two-fisted power.
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Old 06-30-2011, 05:24 PM   #8
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Its still difficult for me to rate Haye at heavy, for the obvious reason hes not fought a lot of true heavyweights to this point and win in fashion. Hes clearly faster than helenius, could he hurt him to make helenius gun shy? could he drop him or ko him early? In turn, is helenius fast enough to chase a retreating defensively oriented haye, avoid the counters, and pin him down? Or maybe one perfect shot landed is enough to drop haye for the count? We ll know better about what haye can do at heavy come next saturday.
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Old 06-30-2011, 06:29 PM   #9
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I heard Haye dropped hellenius in sparring
I don't take sparring stories too seriously. Helenius has been in and decisively defeated better overall opposition at heavy than Haye. The better chin, plus equally huge punch leads me to believe he'd come out on top.
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Old 06-30-2011, 07:11 PM   #10
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I don't take sparring stories too seriously. Helenius has been in and decisively defeated better overall opposition at heavy than Haye. The better chin, plus equally huge punch leads me to believe he'd come out on top.
Not if Haye beats Wlad he hasnt
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Old 06-30-2011, 10:01 PM   #11
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Not if Haye beats Wlad he hasnt
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Old 07-01-2011, 12:45 PM   #12
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Helenius said in a Finnish tabloid that he thought that he did surprisingly well against Haye when they sparred after his very heavy strenght gaining period. Haye didn`t dominate him, I`m quite sure about that. Of course he also said that Haye is the very best he ever fought with and that he is a nice guy.
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Old 07-02-2011, 04:00 AM   #13
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Helenius by knockout!!! Vlad will knock Haye out in a total mismatch!!!!!!!
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Old 07-03-2011, 01:22 AM   #14
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I don't see Haye knocking Helenius out. Helenius won't outbox Haye either. Haye gets rocked a time or two, maybe even hitting the mat, but wins by decision/
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Old 07-03-2011, 02:02 AM   #15
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Haye pot shot UD or Helenius right hand KO.
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