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Old 06-30-2011, 03:58 PM   #16
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I haven't seen the other thread, and this guy is probably in it, but Donald Curry. I know he appeared to have everything and more, but he always struggled with the B+ and A- guys, (Starling-Honeyghan, etc.) and when he stepped up to A and A+ guys, he was blown out.

And anyone who wants to take issue with me calling Starling A- or B+, I would be glad to concede. He very well might've been that good. But not as good as McCallum, who of course, blew Curry up.
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Old 06-30-2011, 04:47 PM   #17
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True, but in the context of the thread you've kind of defeated your own argument. Quarry wasn't the type of flash, physical talent or natural athlete that usually attracts the 'gifted' label, nor was he really an underachiever. He was exactly what you said he is, but it's almost the exact opposite of what the thread was asking after.
He's seen by many as someone who could have achieved much more in any other circumstances. I personally think he just wasn't gifted enough. Had little to do with circumstances. Should work with the thread.
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Old 07-01-2011, 02:34 AM   #18
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A quick attempt at listing the most genuinely talented of the underachievers(looking more at fighters with bad lifestyles or headcase mentality rather than those who maybe just lacked one key fighting attribute like power, or were stymied by bad promotion etc)from the past 30-40 years..

Fighting Harada
Benny Lynch
Wilfred Benitez
Ruben Olivares
John Conteh
Eddie Gregory
Chan-Hee Park
Hilario Zapata
Jung-Koo Chang
Jiro Watanabe
Mike Tyson
Raul Jibaro Perez
James Toney
Chris Eubank
If you´ve got Tyson and Toney on that list than so muct be Jones and Mayweather Jr.


My number one choice would be Cleveland Williams.
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Old 07-01-2011, 01:44 PM   #19
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If you´ve got Tyson and Toney on that list than so muct be Jones and Mayweather Jr.


My number one choice would be Cleveland Williams.
Great call on Williams.
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Old 07-01-2011, 01:51 PM   #20
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I haven't seen the other thread, and this guy is probably in it, but Donald Curry. I know he appeared to have everything and more, but he always struggled with the B+ and A- guys, (Starling-Honeyghan, etc.) and when he stepped up to A and A+ guys, he was blown out.

And anyone who wants to take issue with me calling Starling A- or B+, I would be glad to concede. He very well might've been that good. But not as good as McCallum, who of course, blew Curry up.
Curry is an awful call. have you seen the Starling fights? the 2nd one in particular is one of the most technical fights of the 80s.

McCallum didn't "blow Curry up" that was a chess match that Curry had the edge until a momentary mental lapse got him knocked out
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Old 07-01-2011, 07:13 PM   #21
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I always kind of thought Curry had "the gift" until he lost it in 86/87. I've never heard anything substantiated about what happened, but I know he had a drug trial after his career was over, in which he was found not guilty. Who knows?

My first thought for this topic was Zab Judah. Good enough fighter, but never this P4P type that his fans make him out to be.

My second thought was David Tua. One hell of a puncher, but more interested in eating a cake.

You know one guy that was pushed hard by boxing magazines in the early 1980's was Johnny Bumphus. I never did see why he was considered the "heir apparent" to Pryor. Even if he hadn't gotten hooked on nose candy he would have been bombed out a few times.
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Old 07-01-2011, 08:19 PM   #22
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I haven't seen the other thread, and this guy is probably in it, but Donald Curry. I know he appeared to have everything and more, but he always struggled with the B+ and A- guys, (Starling-Honeyghan, etc.) and when he stepped up to A and A+ guys, he was blown out.

And anyone who wants to take issue with me calling Starling A- or B+, I would be glad to concede. He very well might've been that good. But not as good as McCallum, who of course, blew Curry up.
Bad call on Curry.
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Old 07-01-2011, 08:36 PM   #23
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Daniel Zaragoza,

Hes a boxer I hugely respect and one of boxing's true warriors. But his skills arent what they make out to be, he usually won his fights by outlasting his opponents.
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Old 07-01-2011, 09:05 PM   #24
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Jermain Taylor.
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Old 07-07-2011, 01:29 PM   #25
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Bernard Mays
Pinklon Thomas.
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Old 07-07-2011, 01:38 PM   #26
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Pinklon Thomas.


You've got to be kidding me...
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Old 07-07-2011, 01:45 PM   #27
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Daniel Zaragoza,

Hes a boxer I hugely respect and one of boxing's true warriors. But his skills arent what they make out to be, he usually won his fights by outlasting his opponents.

I'd put Zaragoza closer to the hard working overachiever category.Great longevity, not a lot of obvious gifts.
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Old 07-07-2011, 02:10 PM   #28
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You've got to be kidding me...
Good to Very Good Heavy, just outside of that jab, never thought he was all that.
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Old 07-07-2011, 02:26 PM   #29
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Danny Torres is the first name that immediately came to mind.
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Old 07-07-2011, 02:31 PM   #30
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David Haye @Heavy - what a overrated hypejawb, big mouth though!!
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