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CHEF · 07-10-2011, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Flexe

Wlad should clean the division literally from top to bottom.

Winner of Chisora/Fury
Arreola
Boystov
Ustinov
Dimtrenko
Povetkin
Helenuis

Job done.

Winner of Chisora/Fury
Arreola... might happen
Boystov... has said he is not ready
Ustinov.... would get killed...is a K2 fighter
Dimtrenko.... says he is not ready
Povetkin.... we already know about him
Helenuis..... ?? maybe in time

Neverchair · 07-11-2011, 02:52 AM

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Originally Posted by CHEF

Winner of Chisora/Fury
Arreola... might happen
Boystov... has said he is not ready
Ustinov.... would get killed...is a K2 fighter
Dimtrenko.... says he is not ready
Povetkin.... we already know about him
Helenuis..... ?? maybe in time

Chisora/Fury...... Why?!!!!!!

What is the point in that. Neither has done anything to deserve a title shot and they are relative novices.

Nothing to gain for Wlad. And, to be honest, it's such as easy fight, there isn't even anything to lose. Because he won't be losing.

Chisora/Fury don't stand a chance.

Lee Mc · 07-11-2011, 03:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Black2023

Looking at the wasteland of heavyweight fighters, especially regarding the WBA, IBF, WBO ranking guys who arent worthy why dosent Wlad go on a rampage...and clear the deadwood- This is what i suggest of course subject to each changeling contender to Wlad continuing to win. So ive picked guys who i think due to their match making will still be winning come fight night.

Il give reasons and the background to these fighters and why it could happen and Where.

2011

USA - Oct C. Arreola - Currently 33-2 - Fight time 34-2
Looks like he will be fighting in 2 months time (Aug)...perfect fight for Wlad to take on a guy who could well be 34-2. IBF 5th / WBA 15th/ WBO 13th

Germany - Dec A. Ustinov - Currently 23-0 - Fight time 24-0
Unbeaten Russian who at 6'7 and half and over 280 would be a marketable fight. IBF 13th/ WBA 4th/

2012

France - Jan J.M. Mormeck - Currently 36-4 - Fight time 37-4
Former Undisputed Cruiserweight champion, Wlad takes it to him in his hometown. IBF 12th/ WBA 7th

Germany - Apr A. Povetkin - Currenty 21-0 - Fight time 23-0
Unbeaten Olympic Gold medal winner and holder of the WBA regular belt. IBF 10th/ WBA 2nd/ WBO 4th

USA - Jun C. Boswell - Currently 35-1 - Fight time 37-1
Top level journeyman who holds wins over prospects and former champs, time to get rid of this man from the rankings. WBA 14th

Germany - Aug A. Dimtrenko Currently 32-1 - Fight time 35-1
Carefully matched contender, and fellow ukranian big man. WBA 6th/ IBF 9th/ WBO 7th

USA - Oct D. Boystov Currently 28-0 - Fight time 30-0
Another good but carefully matched prospect - IBF 6th/ WBA 3rd/ WBO 5th

USA - Dec R. Helenius Currently 15-0 Fight time 19-0
Dangerous fighter and perhpas the best of this years bunch. IBF 3rd/ WBA 8th/ WBO 2nd

This would be a sure way to bring back heavyweight boxing. Some of the fights could be on free to air tv, and becuase of the consistency and sheer activity I dont think people would mind watching the champ take care of business roughly every 2 months.

To be honest I've never read a bigger load of bollocks in my life...

None of those fights grab the attention and, although both would get battered, a fight against the winner of Fury/Chisora is far more exciting...

icemax · 07-11-2011, 03:29 AM

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Originally Posted by CHEF

Winner of Chisora/Fury

This has to be some sort of sick joke

Claypole · 07-11-2011, 04:58 AM

The main problem with the heavyweight division (apart from the lack of real quality) is that nobody seems to have any ambition. Most challengers to the Klits don't seem interested in fighting each other, all they do is garnish their padded records to the point that somebody can negotiate a title shot. The heavyweight championship has become a procession of exhibition bouts. The only excitement we get in these challenges is if somebody dares land a clean punch on one of the Klits. It's a farce.

These 2nd rate fighters shouldn't be allowed to simply line up to get their shot, they should have to fight each other in something like the Super 6, or Prizefighter. At lkeast this way we can seperate at least some of the men from the boys.

At least Fury and Chisora are prepared to put their reputations and records on the line, and for that alone the winner deserves a shot at a Klit above ther other wannabes.

Black2023 · 07-11-2011, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by CHEF

not easy to do this ^
TV Dates
contracts
sponsors
mandatories
Sanctioning bodies approval
ETC ETC

I know its not easy, pass this post on to Wlad...he has been telling the media that he is hungry, determined...why dosent he go for Joe Louis record? I reckon if he stays in shape he has 3 years.

Some of the fighters like Boswell...well without doubt take a pay day and fight, even give Rahman a rematch...in a sense get Wlad fighting constanly...shorter training camps, free tv...it will build him up.

All of the guys that i mentioned are ranked in the WBA, WBC, WBO....but their are tons of others guys-

D. Rodriguez 34-0
M. Scott 32-0
N. Valuev 50-2
J. C. Gomez 49-2
K. Pulev 12-0
B. Stiverne 21-1-1
D. Chisora 14-0
D. Tua 50-3-2

4 week camps, fighting every 6 to 8 weeks...Im telling you its the way to stamp your authority like never before, and then the big fights like a Haye, Povetkin will come in due time. Helenius will be a big fight soon.

Black2023 · 07-11-2011, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Claypole

The main problem with the heavyweight division (apart from the lack of real quality) is that nobody seems to have any ambition. Most challengers to the Klits don't seem interested in fighting each other, all they do is garnish their padded records to the point that somebody can negotiate a title shot. The heavyweight championship has become a procession of exhibition bouts. The only excitement we get in these challenges is if somebody dares land a clean punch on one of the Klits. It's a farce.

These 2nd rate fighters shouldn't be allowed to simply line up to get their shot, they should have to fight each other in something like the Super 6, or Prizefighter. At lkeast this way we can seperate at least some of the men from the boys.

At least Fury and Chisora are prepared to put their reputations and records on the line, and for that alone the winner deserves a shot at a Klit above ther other wannabes.

Exactly, but by Wlad taking the division by storm...hence why i said heavyweight wasteland.....how the **** is Rahman ranked or Boswell? This why id love to the champion fight 6 to 8 times in one year...totally dominate the division...take them all out, the rift raft.

Sly · 07-11-2011, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by diagnosismurder

I actually think helenius gives wlad a hard fight

Styles make fights and all that, but Helenius was dominated by Haye in sparring. If that's anything to go by, Helenius would be one of Wlad's easiest ever fights.

Scotty321 · 07-11-2011, 05:44 PM

Wlad on the "rampage"?

One jab at a time

Farmboxer · 07-12-2011, 03:27 AM

Mandatories are going to be a huge problem, seems that the same fighters keep getting the shots are the titles or eliminations, Austin for example. However, if Vlad were to fight more often, fighting the bum mandatories, it would still be impressive, he would keep getting knockouts, be exciting, keep his name and face on TV and force a mega-fight, which would come along before he retires. Fighting often takes the place of not having the big names, Joe Louis had the "bum of the month club" for example...............

Claypole · 07-12-2011, 04:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Black2023

This why id love to the champion fight 6 to 8 times in one year...totally dominate the division...take them all out, the rift raft.

Seeing Wlad fight this often sounds great, but there's not enough decent challengers out there to make it entertaining. It's not his job to seperate the rubbish from the reasonable, he should only be fighting the very best of the rest.

Anyway, I would say Wlad already totally dominates the division. Haye was supposed to be the only real risky fight for him, and he barely broke sweat. I know Vitaly is still very much on the scene, but all he does really is help his brother out with the workload.

To have Wlad fighting 6-8 times a year would actually harm the heavyweight division in my opinion. Potential challengers wouldn't need to earn a shot, they would just need to pad their records enough to get their names on the list.

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Farmboxer P4P King East Side VIP Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: USA Posts: 27,526 vCash: 1000	Re: W. Klitshcko to bring heavyweight boxing back to the mainstream - Mandatories are going to be a huge problem, seems that the same fighters keep getting the shots are the titles or eliminations, Austin for example. However, if Vlad were to fight more often, fighting the bum mandatories, it would still be impressive, he would keep getting knockouts, be exciting, keep his name and face on TV and force a mega-fight, which would come along before he retires. Fighting often takes the place of not having the big names, Joe Louis had the "bum of the month club" for example...............
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