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Old 03-26-2012, 11:38 AM   #31
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I counted them a while ago. Only counted the number of punches though, not how many landed:

-FRAZIERS STATS-

Round 1 31
Round 2 29
Round 3 37
Round 4 42
Round 5 38
Round 6 54
Round 7 51
Round 8 73
Round 9 44
Round 10 49
Round 11 63
Round 12 53
Round 13 62
Round 14 32
Round 15 43

Total punches thrown: 701.
Average punch output per round: 47.

-ALI'S STATS-

Round 1 53
Round 2 66
Round 3 63
Round 4 66
Round 5 72
Round 6 43
Round 7 60
Round 8 46
Round 9 81
Round 10 66
Round 11 46
Round 12 58
Round 13 65
Round 14 65
Round 15 57



Total punches thrown: 907.
Average punch output per round: 60.


It should be noted that Frazier threw a negligible amount of jabs. A lot of his punches were power punches, where Ali threw many jabs.
Interesting stats I think I had it 8-7 Frazier but it was close, Ali swept the early rounds, something like the first 5 on my card
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Old 03-26-2012, 11:45 AM   #32
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Joe Frazier all the way,,,,,

If anybody believes Muhammad Ali won that fight, then they have no business in
scoring a fight or making a judgement.

That decision was clearly Joe Frazier's.
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Old 03-26-2012, 11:49 AM   #33
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Old 03-26-2012, 12:07 PM   #34
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If anybody ever deserved the decision..of the greatest fight of their career to boot...it was Joe Frazier. He was almost superhuman that night.
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Old 03-26-2012, 12:14 PM   #35
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Here are the scorecards,,,

Arthur Mercante;
A A F F F A A F F A F E F A F = {8-6-1; Frazier}

Arthur Aidala;
A A F F F F F F A A F F A A F = {9-6-0; Frazier)

Bill Recht;
F A F F A F F F A F F F F A F = {11-4-0; Frazier}

Remember, this was New York State Boxing rules.
By round scoring.

If this was a 10-point must system, Joe Frazier would have
been awarded 10-8 (2-point win) rounds in the 11th and 15th.


Saying Muhammad Ali won that fight is like saying Japan won
World War II in the Pacific.
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Old 03-26-2012, 12:27 PM   #36
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If anybody ever deserved the decision..of the greatest fight of their career to boot...it was Joe Frazier. He was almost superhuman that night.
Red C,,,,,,,,,,,,

'Smokin Superman' Joe Frazier vs. Muhammad Ali

Nobody beats Superman,,,

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Old 03-26-2012, 12:44 PM   #37
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In fact it was so clear that Ali won he left the ring before the decision was announced.

NO Ali lost and even he knows it. No matter what kind of stats you give if you watch the fight Frazier won. If that's not enough just watch Alis reaction at the end of the fight and post fight.
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Old 03-26-2012, 12:48 PM   #38
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Here are the scorecards,,,

Arthur Mercante;
A A F F F A A F F A F E F A F = {8-6-1; Frazier}

Arthur Aidala;
A A F F F F F F A A F F A A F = {9-6-0; Frazier)

Bill Recht;
F A F F A F F F A F F F F A F = {11-4-0; Frazier}


Thanks. I score it very close to how Aidala scored it: 9-6 or 10-5 for Frazier, depending on how much emphasis I put on effective aggression. The fight always seems closer to me than my scorecard because Ali had good moments in almost every round.
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Old 03-26-2012, 12:55 PM   #39
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Here are the scorecards,,,

Arthur Mercante;
A A F F F A A F F A F E F A F = {8-6-1; Frazier}

Arthur Aidala;
A A F F F F F F A A F F A A F = {9-6-0; Frazier)

Bill Recht;
F A F F A F F F A F F F F A F = {11-4-0; Frazier}

Remember, this was New York State Boxing rules.
By round scoring.

If this was a 10-point must system, Joe Frazier would have
been awarded 10-8 (2-point win) rounds in the 11th and 15th.


Saying Muhammad Ali won that fight is like saying Japan won
World War II in the Pacific.
Unbelievable that anyone could have given Frazier any of the first 3 rounds.

1.10-9 Ali
2.10-9 Ali
3.10-9 Ali
4.10-9 Ali
5.10-10 even
6.10-9 Frazier
7.10-9 Frazier
8.10-9 Frazier
9.10-9 Ali
10.10-9 Ali
11.10-9 Frazier
12.10-9 Frazier
13.10-9 Frazier
14.10-9 Ali
15.10-8 Frazier

143-142 Frazier

I actually had Ali winning based on the only round scoring system.
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Old 03-26-2012, 01:09 PM   #40
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Everyone who is heavily into boxing should believe one mad thing. Good for you.
Ahaha, so true !
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Old 03-26-2012, 01:41 PM   #41
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Smokin Joe changed the tempo of the fight in the 3rd Round.

Muhammad Ali had hit Joe with his best punches, and Joe was still coming.

With 10 seconds left in the round, Joe landed his potent left hook. Ali was hurt
(later acknowledged by Arthur Mercante).

It took Ali awhile to recover from that punch.
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Old 03-26-2012, 01:46 PM   #42
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I think Im the only person alive who thinks Muhammad Ali should have won a close decision in the fight of the century vs joe frazier.

I certainly have no problem with frazier getting the verdict as it WAS a close fight but here`s what I saw in a nut shell....

Ali landing many more punches.
Ali winning more rds.
Frazier winning the 11th & 15th rds big.
Ali clowning on the ropes when he had a big lead giving away unnecessary points.

I had heard how frazier beat Ali in that fight & watched expecting just that but what I saw was a quite even fight which I gave to Ali as I dont think the big 11th & 15th rds were enough to overtake Ali`s other rds that he built up.

1 judge only gave Ali 4 rds... that was a pure utter disgrace.
People always point to the FOTC as to who was better in their prime because it was their 1st fight & I agree.... I watch that fight & think how dominant a 1967 Ali would be over Frazier... clear UD.
This is crazy talk.
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Old 03-26-2012, 02:18 PM   #43
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If anyone would have gotten the benefit of the doubt it would have been Ali and if the fight were close Ali would have been given the fight. Frazier landed the harder shots and had Ali badly hurt in the 11th round and then capped it off with the KD in the 15th.

Both men were battered, Frazier around the eyes and Ali had a swollen Jaw but IMO there was no way the fight could have been given to Ali short of a robbery

Frazier won it and put some chocolate icing on the top with a cherry but nothing is easy
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Old 03-26-2012, 02:48 PM   #44
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I think Im the only person alive who thinks Muhammad Ali should have won a close decision in the fight of the century vs joe frazier.

I certainly have no problem with frazier getting the verdict as it WAS a close fight but here`s what I saw in a nut shell....

Ali landing many more punches.
Ali winning more rds.
Frazier winning the 11th & 15th rds big.
Ali clowning on the ropes when he had a big lead giving away unnecessary points.

I had heard how frazier beat Ali in that fight & watched expecting just that but what I saw was a quite even fight which I gave to Ali as I dont think the big 11th & 15th rds were enough to overtake Ali`s other rds that he built up.

1 judge only gave Ali 4 rds... that was a pure utter disgrace.
People always point to the FOTC as to who was better in their prime because it was their 1st fight & I agree.... I watch that fight & think how dominant a 1967 Ali would be over Frazier... clear UD.
Actually yea, i think u are the only ****ing person alive who thinks Ali won the Fotc

Mabey you should take a hint?
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Old 03-26-2012, 03:52 PM   #45
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I think Im the only person alive who thinks Muhammad Ali should have won a close decision in the fight of the century vs joe frazier.

I certainly have no problem with frazier getting the verdict as it WAS a close fight but here`s what I saw in a nut shell....

Ali landing many more punches.
Ali winning more rds.
Frazier winning the 11th & 15th rds big.
Ali clowning on the ropes when he had a big lead giving away unnecessary points.

I had heard how frazier beat Ali in that fight & watched expecting just that but what I saw was a quite even fight which I gave to Ali as I dont think the big 11th & 15th rds were enough to overtake Ali`s other rds that he built up.

1 judge only gave Ali 4 rds... that was a pure utter disgrace.
People always point to the FOTC as to who was better in their prime because it was their 1st fight & I agree.... I watch that fight & think how dominant a 1967 Ali would be over Frazier... clear UD.


Big Ali fan here.

But Frazier took it.

Somewhere between 8-7 and 9-6.

For me, most of his status as a top ten ATG rests on that victory.
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