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Old 03-27-2012, 01:35 PM   #61
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Ali lost the middle rounds and didnt get back into it until the 9th, and lost many of the rounds after that including the 11th & 15th.
Frazier even won the 9th round. Or shouldve. He hurt Ali badly in that round and it looked like a stoppage was looming when Ali rallied in the last 15 seconds of the round.

Frazier hit Ali with a hook in that 9th round that was the best punch he ever hit him with.
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Old 03-27-2012, 02:10 PM   #62
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One of the best punches that 'Smokin Joe' hit Muhammad Ali with was the
left hook, just before the end of the 3rd Round.

Arthure Mercante later stated, that Ali was out-on-his-feet for a couple of seconds.

'His eyes were glazed, and he was hurt. I saw it, but Joe Frazier walked back to
his corner without taking a look at Ali. When Ali came out for Rounds 4 and 5, he
was fighting on instinct. Ali kind of snapped out of it at the end of Round 5.'
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Old 03-27-2012, 06:41 PM   #63
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This is crazy talk.
Its also 2007 talk

By the way, I still agree with the majority of my OP.....

It was a close fight, I would favour Ali of 67 over any version of Frazier & the judge that scored this fight 11-4 for Joe should be beaten to a pulp.

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Old 03-27-2012, 07:05 PM   #64
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Bill B,,,,,

That was Bill Recht,,,,,,

He always leaned toward the aggressive style as opposed to the boxing style.

Only rounds he was off, Round 1 and Round 13, both of which he scored for
Joe Frazier. Otherwise, he was right on.

But he did have a great statement about Muhammad Ali,,
'any judge that scores around against him, is automatically a racist'.
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Old 03-27-2012, 08:05 PM   #65
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But he did have a great statement about Muhammad Ali,,
'any judge that scores around against him, is automatically a racist'.
How is that a great statement?
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Old 03-28-2012, 12:22 AM   #66
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Bill B,,,,,

That was Bill Recht,,,,,,

He always leaned toward the aggressive style as opposed to the boxing style.

Only rounds he was off, Round 1 and Round 13, both of which he scored for
Joe Frazier. Otherwise, he was right on.

But he did have a great statement about Muhammad Ali,,
'any judge that scores around against him, is automatically a racist'.
Boy and all this time I was sure Joe Frazier was black. Thinks for setting this right.
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Old 03-28-2012, 09:56 AM   #67
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How is that a great statement?
I think you may have misunderstood that statement.

Bill Recht was one of the few that was not afraid to criticize
Muhammad Ali at that time,,,,,,,,

Bill Recht said, 'that scoring a boxing match is nothing more than that,
a judgement of a boxers performance against another one in the ring.
I do not see black, white or red in the ring, I only see boxing gloves. For
Muhammad Ali to question my judgement based on the color of a man's
skin is to call me a racist. So what Mr. Ali is saying is that any judge that
scores a round against him, is automatically a racist.
With that said, how can any judge be fair in Mr. Ali's view. Boxing is
a sport that requires a judgement of performance to determine
a victor. A neutral observer, without racial bias.'
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Old 03-28-2012, 11:05 AM   #68
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I think you may have misunderstood that statement.

Bill Recht was one of the few that was not afraid to criticize
Muhammad Ali at that time,,,,,,,,

Bill Recht said, 'that scoring a boxing match is nothing more than that,
a judgement of a boxers performance against another one in the ring.
I do not see black, white or red in the ring, I only see boxing gloves. For
Muhammad Ali to question my judgement based on the color of a man's
skin is to call me a racist. So what Mr. Ali is saying is that any judge that
scores a round against him, is automatically a racist.
With that said, how can any judge be fair in Mr. Ali's view. Boxing is
a sport that requires a judgement of performance to determine
a victor. A neutral observer, without racial bias.'
No I understood the statement, I just didn't see how it could be defined as great.
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Old 03-28-2012, 11:06 AM   #69
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How True,,,,,,

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Old 03-28-2012, 11:12 AM   #70
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No I understood the statement, I just didn't see how it could be defined as great.
In my opinion, the overall statement was great.

Remember this was 1971, and racial tensions were high, especially in criticizing Muhammad Ali.

Bill Recht was one of the few that called Muhammad Ali out on the
carpet.

Bill Recht was a damn good boxing judge, and was well respected.
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Old 03-31-2012, 09:17 PM   #71
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It seemed Ali ate the harder punches, most especially the kd in the 15th and getting hurt worse in round 11, when he was wobbling all over the ring after a Frazier hook and follow-up punches from Joe.

With Ali getting dropped in the 15th and backing up for the rest of the fight from that point, on the basis of a novice watching it, it would be hard to give the decision to Ali.

But from my corner, I saw Ali give away rounds and throw pitty-pat punches to be funny, and like when Jimmy Young threw pitty-pats at Ali 5 years later, these punches don't (or shouldn't) count.

I think Frazier won the FOTC despite the many blows he took, based on professional scoring. On amateur scoring, he probably loses.
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Old 04-01-2012, 01:19 AM   #72
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nah man joe frazier won that fight...........
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Old 04-01-2012, 01:25 AM   #73
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this faggot gives me shit for thinking barrera beat morales went 3-0 yet he pulls this out?? lmfao!
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Old 04-01-2012, 08:11 AM   #74
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...you just go on thinking that...
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Old 04-01-2012, 08:12 AM   #75
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Ali couldn't do anything with Frazier that night in 1971...
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