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Old 07-21-2011, 06:41 AM   #31
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Oh i see where your coming from. Yeah i think what your saying along with what Rob just said makes lot more sense. Mitchell has a fair bit of work to do he needs to steer clear of these draining wars. He's still a young man and already had a fair few. If managed correctly he can make a decent run of things.
Yup I agree. I think he should do nothing more than stay active for the time being, maybe have 2 fights before tackling an Antillon or a Vaquez. I would have liked to have seen him on their with Crolla, but obviously that's not happening.
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Old 07-21-2011, 06:45 AM   #32
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Yup I agree. I think he should do nothing more than stay active for the time being, maybe have 2 fights before tackling an Antillon or a Vaquez. I would have liked to have seen him on their with Crolla, but obviously that's not happening.
Yeah he's still developing so just keeping him active and earning money and keeping him working with Jimmy will do him world of good. Plus as you say division can become weak overnight if fighters decide to move up.
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I don't think he has a bad chin at all. He was stopped by a very hard punching Katsidis (who had Marquez on his arse). I don't recall too many other times he has been hurt badly at 135
Hurt by Murray a few times, Murray isn't a puncher at all. Katsidis is more of an accumulation puncher. That shot he landed on Marquez was the best punch of his career, he can still bang though but it didn't take too much to get rid of Kevin. Johansson had him in massive trouble at 130 but that could have been a weight issue. I'm not saying Kevin has a bad chin, he just hasn't got a good one, which he needs to become a champion at 135 imo.
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Old 07-21-2011, 07:18 AM   #34
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Mitchell doesn't have the chin to stand upto the punchers at 135 imo. Murray who isn't a puncher had him hurt quite a few times. Vasquez is a winnable fight for Mitchell.
Vasquez is the joker in the pack.

I don't know where this chin thing comes from. Has Kevin ever been knocked down? Agaisnt Murray he took every shot and he was still on his feet agaisnt Kats. The guy can take punishment.
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Old 07-21-2011, 07:19 AM   #35
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Hurt by Murray a few times, Murray isn't a puncher at all. Katsidis is more of an accumulation puncher. That shot he landed on Marquez was the best punch of his career, he can still bang though but it didn't take too much to get rid of Kevin. Johansson had him in massive trouble at 130 but that could have been a weight issue. I'm not saying Kevin has a bad chin, he just hasn't got a good one, which he needs to become a champion at 135 imo.
When? He hit him with a good shot in the second which troubled him. A little later in the round Murray caught him flush and he winked at his corner. Other than that, he wasnt hurt in the whole fight.
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Old 07-21-2011, 07:33 AM   #36
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Mitchells chin is OK. Getting sparked by Kats and getting buzzed a couple of times in fights doesn't constitute a "shit chin" IMHO. OK, so its not cast iron but its reasonable enough.
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Old 07-21-2011, 07:48 AM   #37
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Mitchells chin is OK. Getting sparked by Kats and getting buzzed a couple of times in fights doesn't constitute a "shit chin" IMHO. OK, so its not cast iron but its reasonable enough.
The fact he wasnt dropped says allot to.
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Old 07-21-2011, 07:52 AM   #38
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I dont know, his chin is super shit, Murray on rubbery legs nearly had him out in that 8th round againt the ropes, any of the top Lightweights would have taken him out there.

????? What a load of bollocks - how is his chin shit?
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So you're reasoning is that everybody better than him is moving up in weight?
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What I'm saying is that these guys are all moving up in weight which leaves the division wide open. I think JMM, Guererro and Rios all beat him handily, Soto would be closer but is still favour him. But with these guys gone, there's very much a gap in the division which Mitchell could fill.
So yes then?
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Old 07-21-2011, 08:21 AM   #40
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I do think Mitchell has the ability to compete at a very high level though. He is still only 25. Has only worked properly with Tibbs for 3 fights.

He will grow more into the lightweight limit, and i think he is tough enough to stick it out with anyone. Theres plenty of room for improvment but I think he has allot of talent. He puts his punches together extremtly well, his shot selection is class.

He is never going to be in the Mayweather - Pacquiao league but theres not reason why he cannot have a couple of legit world level wins on his resume before he hangs up the gloves, simular to Hatton.
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Old 07-21-2011, 08:32 AM   #41
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I know I'm probably Acosta's biggest scrotum-hanger on this entire forum, but I don't think I'm being biased when I say Mitchell doesn't really have a hope against him, under the assumption that Rios didn't take a significant chunk out of Aguacerito of course, which is a very possible outcome considering Miguel is a 33 year old lightweight. But we can't just assume he's ruined, 'only as good as your last fight' and all that jazz.

Y'see, people tend to think the only world class facet to Acosta's game is his counter punching, which is what he did against both Rios and Antillon, but he can pressure like an absolute mother****er. Watch him against Paulus Moses(who, incidentally, I'd take to out box Mitchell), against a fighter with similarly fast hands and a very good jab, he knew he could box with him, but the easier route would be to break him down and close him off. He pressured so intelliently, crouched down to make the target smaller, hands held high with plenty of bobbing and weaving, he was able to manuver Moses to the ropes and then tee off with excellent combinations high and low. Unlike Murray did, he wouldn't neglect the body and try to load up on one shot, he was battering the body and then coming up and jolting him to the head. He did that for six rounds straight against a relatively proven champion, broke his heart, and stopped him in six.

My fear for Mitchell if he steps it up to world level is his footwork. If Murray's wasn't even worse, Kevin would've found himself in a world of trouble. He circles far too wide, which wears you out over the course of the fight, and often backtracks straight to the ropes. Now, he got away with that for the most part against Murray, because he was coming at Mitchell in straight lines, just following him around the ring. If Murray knew how to cut the ring off, he wouldn't have tired himself out to the extent that he did, and wouldn't have been as predictable and allowed Mitchell the opportunity to put him away.

The trio of Acosta, Katsidis and Vazquez don't do that. Acosta cuts the ring off and circles(the only time we didn't see that was in the later going against Rios, who forced him into it with his physicality as opposed to Miguel doing it himself) tightly around the opponent, I think he's a better boxer than Mitchell and could beat him by way of being aggressive and swarming him. We've already seen what Katsidis can do to him, if he makes him back himself to the ropes, which he does as a regular occuracne, he'll find himself pasted up against the ropes yet again. I'd give him more of a chance against Vazquez, who obviously lacks the variety of Acosta and the tenaciousness of Katsidis, but even still he'd probably force Mitchell to come to him, pick him off with the jab and hold him close whenever Mitchell manages to get close enough to do damage to him. Vazquez is smarter than people give him credit for as much as anything else, and I don't think Mitchell's ring IQ is particularly good, never mind on Vazquez' level.

For me, he's got to take on some frige contenders before he tries to propel himself anywhere near the pinnacle of the division. The likes of DeMarco, Zappavinga and Escobedo are all the kind of appropriate opposition as of now for him. Maybe even Moses? He's started the comeback trail and it'll be good to match two guys who've recently lost to the guys at the top, a real winner takes all clash.
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Old 07-21-2011, 08:36 AM   #42
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I do think Mitchell has the ability to compete at a very high level though. He is still only 25. Has only worked properly with Tibbs for 3 fights.

He will grow more into the lightweight limit, and i think he is tough enough to stick it out with anyone. Theres plenty of room for improvment but I think he has allot of talent. He puts his punches together extremtly well, his shot selection is class.

He is never going to be in the Mayweather - Pacquiao league but theres not reason why he cannot have a couple of legit world level wins on his resume before he hangs up the gloves, simular to Hatton.
I got the impression Frank was trying to make him the Hatton of the south. He went all out with the bill at Upton Park to draw in west ham fans (Hatton had a similar backing with man city). The only problem was, Mitchell didnt beat his Kostya Tszyu. I'm not sure whether he'll ever get that kind of support again, but Saturday was a step in the right direction for sure
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Old 07-21-2011, 08:49 AM   #43
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So before everyone cries knee jerk reaction, here me out. Kevin was suburb the weekend. Not many gave him a chance against the dangerous, undefeated John Murray coming off a 14 month lay off. This time last year, Mitchell’s career looked to have crashed big time. He lost his biggest fight to date against Katsidis, crushed in 3 rounds in front of 17,000 fans. Excuses laid to one side, even his promoter had seemingly turned his back on him by signing Britain’s premier Lightweight, in a bid to replace the fallen man. With seemingly everything against him, he put his personal problems to one side, and got down to training for his comeback - his make or break fight. Should he had lost to Murray, Mitchell would have practically been finished.

Any fear of ring rust was laid to rest in the opening few seconds of the fight when Kevin charged forward at Murray, stinging him with good solid shots to the face and body with both hands. It was clear Mitchell had prepared well this time around. He took a good shot in the second, and then continually unboxed Murray for the rest of the fight, making the bigger man miss at will, as well as tagging him with a spiteful jab and good inside uppercuts throughout the fight. Once he hurt Murray in the 7th (something no-one had done before), it was clear the fight was going to end early. Indeed, the very next round, Mitchell connects big with a perfect left hook which drops Murray, and he goes on to finish him with a flurry of hooks and uppercuts. Mitchell is very much back in the frame.

As soon as the fight was over, the questions inevitably turn to future opponents. So lets look at the possibilities. Going by the Rings Ratings, Mitchell is now 5th behind JMM, Rios, Soto, Guererro and Katsidis. On paper, winning a world title off of these men looks next to impossible. But if we dig a little deeper, we see that the division isn’t so stacked. Marquez doesn’t have too much more left, and will have even less left once Manny is finished with him in November. He stands the make a lot of money from this fight, so I expect that, should he lose, he will have one final farewell fight in Mexico before calling it a day. Then we have Guerrero and Soto. We already know the American is moving up in weight, taking on Marcos Maidana for some interim/regular belt at LWW. Soto has also said he is moving up in weight, probably to avoid Rios. Rios himself is having problems making 135, and has expressed an interest in moving to 140 to take on Khan. Suddenly, the stacked Lightweight division isn’t so formidable. Mitchell, with his power, speed, movement and defence, could well beat the likes of Acosta, Vazquez, and dare I say it, Katsidis in a rematch, to bag himself a world title. His performance against a very good, in somewhat limited Murray, roved he can still mix it with the best in the division. More so, it proved to us fans, as well as to himself, that the demons of the Katsidis fight have been laid to rest. Suddenly, a world title doesnt seem so far off.
Definately got the skills but DOES need to work on DEFENSE, without a shadow of a doubt he needs to sort that out and then maybe....
As far as John Murray is concerned he was always getting taken out far to easy to hit especially when you have someone like Mitchell in front of you who can bang with the best of them, the left hook was a fine shot..........
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Old 07-21-2011, 08:50 AM   #44
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Kevin’s a decent fighter – got some great attributes like his punch selection, his jab and his improved head movement. But he was there for Murray to hit for much of the night – in fact, Murray was out-landing him.

I know some posters want to revise history that Mitchell was applying the wise tactics of getting beaten up to wear Murray down, but he really wasn’t. Mitchell, despite having fast feet, is a bit of a liability with his ring generalship. He was backing up onto the ropes, walking into John’s right hand, etc. This was stuff he was doing against Katsidis too, but Murray isn’t as fleet-footed or athletic as the Australian, so couldn’t make Mitchell pay.

So, keep that in mind when looking at his chances at LW as a whole division. Wanting Mitchell to take on Katsidis when he’s faded further? Pretty much sums up Kevin’s chances there. He has to hope Michael’s shot before getting back in the ring with him. Katsidis should be his next port of call if he really wants to show he’s improved.

So put a name like Acosta in with Mitchell? Crazy talk. Acosta would demolish him. Even if he’s lost a step following Rios’ impressive assault, he’s still a formidable opponent with more than enough in the tank to see off a defensive liability like Kev. He’d be setting traps constantly and, unlike Murray, he really knows how to exploit openings. Rounded offensive fighter with power and solid countering skills = bad news. What on earth can Kevin do to keep him off or control the fight?

Acosta’s got better footwork, better defence, better punch selection, more power and excellent real generalship.

But if Mitchell wants any respect these are the guys he has to face. If he takes that WBO and fights no one of any note then he’ll lose the respect I had for him coming back so impressively in a fight I felt he was losing.
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Old 07-21-2011, 08:56 AM   #45
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me, he's got to take on some frige contenders before he tries to propel himself anywhere near the pinnacle of the division. The likes of DeMarco, Zappavinga and Escobedo are all the kind of appropriate opposition as of now for him. Maybe even Moses? He's started the comeback trail and it'll be good to match two guys who've recently lost to the guys at the top, a real winner takes all clash.
I just struggle to see Kevin even beating those guys due to his stylistic flaws. He’s not really a boxer and he can’t help get involved. Even the weaker guys at 135 will see nothing to worry about from his fight with Murray.
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