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Old 07-25-2011, 10:22 AM   #61
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Klitschko vs. Adamek: Tomasz’s only hope is to just try and survive!

By Dan Ambrose: It’s sad when you get a horrible mismatch like Tomasz Adamek (44-1, 28 KO’s) vs. WBC heavyweight champion Vitali Klitschko (42-2, 39 KO’s) where one fighter, Adamek, basically no chance at all to win the fight and merely coming into the bout to get destroyed or totally dominated in defeat. That’s how this one is going to play out. Adamek and Klitschko will meet on September 10th at the Stadion Miekski in Wroclaw, Poland. Adamek will have a huge Polish fan base at the fight cheering everything he does, but it won’t matter. He’s not going to win and the only thing he can really decide is his how he’ll lose.

Adamek can go out bravely by going straight after Vitali in the early rounds, and get mowed down or he can run and maybe survive to lose by a humiliating lopsided 12 round decision. Both outcomes are bad, but he has few options. Adamek doesn’t have the size, power, speed or chin to win this fight by actually fighting Vitali. He’s not going to be able to go at him and trade and come out on top.

We saw recently in Adamek’s carefully managed fights against C level fighters 38-year-old Michael Grant and 37-year-old Kevin McBride, that Adamek can’t even trade with weaker fighters without dashing away to try and survive. Now Adamek is jumping up two levels in facing an A+ Vitali Klitschko, and it’s academic that Adamek is going to lose this fight. He can survive, but only by running and embarrassing himself by fighting in a David Haye-esque manner.

If I was Adamek’s trainer, I would just have him go right after Vitali and hope for the best. Adamek can’t out-box Vitali and he’s not going to knock him out. But at least if he goes after Vitali and fights him hard for a couple of rounds before getting totally destroyed, Adamek can win some respect from his fans and maybe around the world depending on how badly he gets knocked out.

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Do you agree with that article, or do you think a featherfisted Natural Lightheavy, who fought 32 of his 45 fights at Lightheavy, & a further 7 at Cruiser, can defeat the currently seemingly invincible Dr. Ironfist Vitali? Remember how seriously Adamek strugged & was rocked a few times by Obese Arreola, struggled & was rocked by washed-up Old Grant, struggled with Fat Estrada & was dropped by Morbidly Obese, Old Shot Bummy McBride... Now recall how Vitali has utterly dominated every single opponent he has fought since begining his comeback in '08, usually beating the living crap out of them in the process. Within his comeback reign as the extremely dominant WBC Champion, VK has brutally beaten Peter & Gomez (Adamek would've lost to those versions which Vitali smashed) both inside the distance, & brutalised the same Arreola who gave Adamek hell.

Ambrose is an established Adamek hater. His articles indicate a very linear, non critical method of thinking. In other words, he's a dogmatic fool. His articles are never entertaining, clever or articulate and he just repeats thesame old drivel over and over again like a broken tape. Even if Adamek beats Vitali, this amatuer will be publishing "articles" that either Adamek got lucky or that Vitali was shot.

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Old 07-25-2011, 10:30 AM   #62
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I agree. I usually agree with Bubby, but Adamek is not faster than Haye.
Adamek definitely has more heart, and will come to fight, but speed wise, no. Not faster than Haye.

What is speed if you're not willing to use it consistenty or put punches together? It is worthless. Even before the fight with Wlad, we all knew Haye fights in spurts and this effectively nullifies a huge part of having the speed advatange. You're supposed to use speed to your advatange to beat your opponent to the punch and land more shots throughout the fight. Haye is not capable of this because volume punching was never his thing to begin with. He only uses speed to counter his opponents from time to time.


It doesn't matter whether Adamek is faster or not than Haye. What matters is that Adamek is faster than Vitali, and unlike Haye, he uses his speed to his advatange.
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Adamek is faster than Haye and Vitali is slower than Wladimir.
It will be a good fight and a hell of a lot more competitive the Wladimir vs Haye..
Adamek is no where near as fast as Haye you ridiculous little nuthugger.
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Old 07-25-2011, 10:37 AM   #64
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McBride found him faster. Grant found him faster. What makes you think it will take Vitali till the 9th to find him? Let's be honest here. Once Vitali finds him, it's over.

Not really. There's not much evidence that Vitali has better one punch KO power than either Grant or Arreola. Grant in particular hits as hard as anyone in the division.
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Adamek is a slow arm puncher. He has no power. None.
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Old 07-25-2011, 10:40 AM   #66
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Adamek is a slow arm puncher. He has no power. None.

Supposedly, Haye has plenty of it. Too bad he has estrogen running through his balls.

If Adamek had no power, guys like Arreola or Grant would walk through him and knock him the **** out.
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Adamek fights similar to Haye at HW, just with a higher work rate, but less power and speed. He's going to get dominated badly.
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Old 07-25-2011, 10:45 AM   #68
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Adamek fights similar to Haye at HW, just with a higher work rate, but less power and speed. He's going to get dominated badly.


BS. He fights nothing like Haye. Haye is scared of his opponents' shadows, especially if they are tall. We saw this with Valuev and Wlad. Adamek is scared of no one and engages his opponents for clear decissions, while Haye runs marathons like a little *****. Haye doesn't have a clue how to be an effective mobile fighter. Furthermore, their mind states are worlds apart. One tries to survive with as little damage as possible, the other tries to win at all costs.

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Old 07-25-2011, 11:02 AM   #69
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The Haye ship sunk...poor Kalasinn wants to take everyone down with it.

This guy jumps ships likes there is no tomorrow. ****ing groupie. No worries, he'll be singing Adamek's praises and rockin his avi in September.
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Old 07-25-2011, 12:50 PM   #70
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Adamek's hw campaign is a joke. He only had 1 decent fight with Arreola and then milked his polish fans fighting hasbeens or neverbeens just to secure his biggest payday with Klitschko.
The truth is that the winner of Adamek-Arreola was set to fight Klitschko. The fights that happenned after were preparation to the Klitschko fight. Especially McBride and Grant who both are about 2 meters tall.

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I know Golota was at his best in '96... but '04 Golota still beats Adamek every time

Current Adamek is not as good as '04 Byrd, & would get hit clean a lot more, & i mean considerably so.

Obese Arreola, Shot McBride & Old Grant all hurt Adamek, & McBride even dropped him. ('04 Golota is miles better than that rabble)

Adamek probably performs like Ruiz did, losing at least 7 of 12 rounds against '04 Golota, & being dropped twice.
As I stated '04 Golota was almost a shot fighter. His biggest weapon - his jab - was gone. The thing that the fights were competetive (with Golota having the edge in both fights) only says that '04 Byrd and '04 Ruiz werent that good.
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Adamek is a slow arm puncher. He has no power. None.
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Adamek fights similar to Haye at HW, just with a higher work rate, but less power and speed. He's going to get dominated badly.
Completely agree.
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As I stated '04 Golota was almost a shot fighter. His biggest weapon - his jab - was gone. The thing that the fights were competetive (with Golota having the edge in both fights) only says that '04 Byrd and '04 Ruiz werent that good.
Golota could do much more vs Ruiz, he just let it go in the later rounds.

Adamek might get the nod vs Golota'04 with consistency and movement
but ist more like 55/45 for Golota since Golota was mobile and busy ....
It would be like Adamek - Arreola with Golota being much more accurate
than Arreola so Adamek's face would be marked seriously
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The Haye ship sunk...poor Kalasinn wants to take everyone down with it.
I gave Haye just a 20% chance to win, if he came at Wlad throwing bombs from the opening bell.

I gave Haye a 0% chance to win, if he ran & pot-shotted like a *****, as he did against Sugar Nikky.
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As I stated '04 Golota was almost a shot fighter. His biggest weapon - his jab - was gone. The thing that the fights were competetive (with Golota having the edge in both fights) only says that '04 Byrd and '04 Ruiz werent that good.
'04 Byrd is much better skilled H2H at Heavyweight than Adamek.

'04 Ruiz is about equal H2H to Heavyweight Adamek.
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What is speed if you're not willing to use it consistenty or put punches together? It is worthless. Even before the fight with Wlad, we all knew Haye fights in spurts and this effectively nullifies a huge part of having the speed advatange. You're supposed to use speed to your advatange to beat your opponent to the punch and land more shots throughout the fight. Haye is not capable of this because volume punching was never his thing to begin with. He only uses speed to counter his opponents from time to time.


It doesn't matter whether Adamek is faster or not than Haye. What matters is that Adamek is faster than Vitali, and unlike Haye, he uses his speed to his advatange.
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