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Old 07-02-2007, 07:17 PM   #1
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Default Bernard Hopkins v Max Baer

Under modern rules and 12 rounds.

Let's say Hopkins weights 170-175 at the weigh in and Max around 210.

Who wins and why?
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Old 07-02-2007, 10:14 PM   #2
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Oh come on, Unless Max is getting another BJ in the dressing room, he annihilates Hopkins - and if he is, then maybe it takes him a couple of rounds. Hopkins shots would be lke one of Taurus Sykes "ping pong *****" and Baer's sledgehammer would feel like a bazooka.

Baer KO 30 seconds.
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Old 07-02-2007, 10:26 PM   #3
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This thread is in no way meant to denegrate Baer, more to explore Hopkins generalship and Baer's lack of.

Baer's right could be the deciding factor and it could be early.

But I don't think so.
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Old 07-02-2007, 10:50 PM   #4
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Hopkins would outbox him all night he has the chin to take what Bear can dish out
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Old 07-02-2007, 10:56 PM   #5
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Hopkins would outbox him all night he has the chin to take what Bear can dish out
Agree he has the potential skill to outbox Baer.

But there may not be a human that has the chin.
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Hopkins KO in the 9th
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Old 07-02-2007, 11:30 PM   #7
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But there may not be a human that has the chin.
Les Kennedy, Johnny Risko (57-38-7), Jim Braddock and a **** load of bums who went to distence with him
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Old 07-02-2007, 11:33 PM   #8
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Hopkins KO in the 9th
You must be joking. Baer had one of the best chins in HW history. He was only counted out ONCE in 84 fights, and that was by choice against ATG Joe Louis, while he was sitting on the canvas completely conscious.

The only way Hopkins knocks out Baer is if he brings a sledgehammer into the ring. And even then, I'd only give it a 50/50 shot!!! Baer had an ANVIL for a chin, nearly as good as Chuvalo!!
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Old 07-02-2007, 11:37 PM   #9
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If fighters like Harry Greb could beat capable heavyweights, it's not impossible Hopkins could be a talentless one. I like Baer, but come on, if Hopkins was igger, he wouldn't win a single round. There is a masisve gap in talent which does make this a interesting bout.

I'd go with Baer, but it wouldn't be easy whilst it lasted for him. Hopkins wouldn't have the power to keep Baer away though.
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Old 07-02-2007, 11:41 PM   #10
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Lou Nova gave him a beatdowns in there 2nd

oh and the one you say with Joe Louis he shouldent of been knocked out even then the bell should of saved him

and the way Nova beat him on the first proves that he has a great chin prob the best
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You must be joking. Baer had one of the best chins in HW history. He was only counted out ONCE in 84 fights, and that was by choice against ATG Joe Louis, while he was sitting on the canvas completely conscious.

The only way Hopkins knocks out Baer is if he brings a sledgehammer into the ring. And even then, I'd only give it a 50/50 shot!!! Baer had an ANVIL for a chin, nearly as good as Chuvalo!!
lamotta had one of the best chins in boxing history and look what ray robinson did in their last fight.

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Old 07-02-2007, 11:48 PM   #12
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Les Kennedy, Johnny Risko (57-38-7), Jim Braddock and a **** load of bums who went to distence with him
Of course, for reasons discussed in the Baer thread, his record was patchy.

But i'd submit (without having seen Kennedy or Risko) that these guys got through with defense and movement rather than chin.

You're not calling Braddock a bum are you?
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Old 07-02-2007, 11:48 PM   #13
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No way in HELL does Hopkins KO Max Baer...that's like saying Floyd Mayweather would knock out Marvin Hagler - just not happening. Hopkins has craft, skill, slickness, and ring generalship that would allow him to last a few rounds with Baer in my opinion, but eventually, Max finds the mark and stops him. Hopkins has a great chin, but lets be real: he has never fought past 175 so against heavyweights, there is no telling how his chin would hold up. If this is P4P, Hopkins by UD, but this isn't so I'm going with Baer by stoppage until (if) I see Bernard fight at HW.
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Old 07-02-2007, 11:49 PM   #14
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If fighters like Harry Greb could beat capable heavyweights, it's not impossible Hopkins could be a talentless one. I like Baer, but come on, if Hopkins was igger, he wouldn't win a single round. There is a masisve gap in talent which does make this a interesting bout.

I'd go with Baer, but it wouldn't be easy whilst it lasted for him. Hopkins wouldn't have the power to keep Baer away though.

Good post. Not quite sure as Baer as "talentless" but these were basically my thoughts when I started the thread.
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Old 07-03-2007, 12:12 AM   #15
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Good post. Not quite sure as Baer as "talentless" but these were basically my thoughts when I started the thread.
Yeah, there seems to be a lot of double standards. I noticed this in the Hagler thread, about how he would go against Spinks and Patterson, if I remember right. If middlewights like Fitz and greb can win at that weight, why can't Hagler? Especially against naturally small fighters like Spinks and Patterson.

Talentless was harsh, yes. I don't rate him at all as a boxer though. Compared to Hopkins, he is though. Amongst his peers he is, so I'll stick with it
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