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Old 07-03-2007, 04:09 PM   #31
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After a 13 year career of over 300 fights and the best resume of all time. That doesn't qualify as "not living up to potential" to me. Yes he died young, but he was probably past his prime when he died, just as Armstrong was by that age, due to the wars over the years and all that they had accomplished. He didn't have much more to give.
Are you suggesting Greb is above Robinson? Now that is just plain silly!!!
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Old 07-03-2007, 04:28 PM   #32
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Maybe that is where you going wrong, your listening rather than reading

Greb was in his pomp in 1926 when he died following an operation to remove a tooth if memory serves me right.
Greb wasn't exactly in his pomp when he died, but so what if he was? How does that take away from what he accomplished?

Even if he went into vertical drop, would that have changed things? It's not as though some losses were going to "expose" him. He had already done everything and more that needed to be done.

By the way, Greb is # 3 for me all time, and he is arguably the best. He's definitely in the discussion. We'd have a clearer idea from some fight footage just what he was about, but seeing some of the men he beat on film, he MUST have been something special.
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Old 07-03-2007, 04:32 PM   #33
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Are you suggesting Greb is above Robinson? Now that is just plain silly!!!
I think that a strong case can be made. Greb has a much deeper resume.
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Old 07-03-2007, 04:42 PM   #34
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There was a thread going around the other day with people trying to give opinions of how they think a head to head match up featuring greb would turn out. I disagree with being able to analyze a fight between people, when you can't view one of the fighters to analyze his style.

You can read Greb's record, and view some his opponents on film. It is fair to put him in your top 10 pound for pound. You choose where, you won't get an argument from me on this one.
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Old 07-03-2007, 05:16 PM   #35
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I think that a strong case can be made. Greb has a much deeper resume.
No ones winning resume compares to Robinson's...

That has to be a given
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Old 07-03-2007, 05:18 PM   #36
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Greb wasn't exactly in his pomp when he died, but so what if he was? How does that take away from what he accomplished?
It does not, but his early death does give people 'SSS', and you cannot judge him on a full career like everyone else who I rated above him.
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Old 07-03-2007, 05:30 PM   #37
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No ones winning resume compares to Robinson's...

That has to be a given
In terms of sheer number of world class fighters beaten Greb has no peer apart from perhaps Sam Langford.

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Old 07-03-2007, 05:35 PM   #38
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In terms of sheer number of world class fighters beaten Greb has no peer apart from perhaps Sam Langford.
Who did Greb and Lanford miss out on?

Because Robinson, who I have p4p no.1 ducked - or "failed to fight" - plenty.
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In terms of sheer number of world class fighters beaten Greb has no peer apart from perhaps Sam Langford.
Depends what you term world class, if standards slip, you can spin better numbers than Robinson, but for sheer quality name wins Robinson is in a league of his own.
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Who did Greb and Lanford miss out on?
The people who did not want to fight them and that's it.
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The people who did not want to fight them and that's it.
I think if you want to manuevere Greb or Langford above SRR it should be on the fighters Robinson failed to fight rather than those he did. If you see what I mean.

But circumstance shouldn't be paramount.

So what significant names ducked, or should have fought, Langford and Greb, in your opinion.
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Old 07-03-2007, 05:39 PM   #42
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Depends what you term world class, if standards slip, you can spin better numbers than Robinson, but for sheer quality name wins Robinson is in a league of his own.
I have to disagree there.

In all Greb defeated 14 fighters that held a lineal title at some stage of their careers, from welterweight to heavyweight. He defeated an incredible seven light heavyweight champions.

Whatever you think of the era Greb fought in, Robinson is up against it here.
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Old 07-03-2007, 05:44 PM   #43
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So what significant names ducked, or should have fought, Langford and Greb, in your opinion.
The list is a long one and there will inevitably be debate on some points. However I am prepared to commit to the following-

Langford was avoided by Philadelphia Jack O'Brien as Light Heavyweight champion, Jack Johnson as Heavyweight champion, Jess Willard as Heavyweight Champion. A lot of the top white hopes steered clear of Langford for fear of damaging their colour line credentials.

Greb was avoided by Georges Carpinter as Light Heavyweight Champion and Jack Dempsey as Heavyweight Champion (at least by his managment). He also called out Harry Wills at least once.
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Old 07-03-2007, 05:48 PM   #44
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I believe it was actually 18 he defeated that had held titles. Read this article. Best article on Greb ever.

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The guy sure had a busy schedule.
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Old 07-03-2007, 05:51 PM   #45
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The list is a long one and there will inevitably be debate on some points. However I am prepared to commit to the following-

Langford was avoided by Philadelphia Jack O'Brien as Light Heavyweight champion, Jack Johnson as Heavyweight champion, Jess Willard as Heavyweight Champion.

Greb was avoided by Georges Carpinter as Light Heavyweight Champion and Jack Dempsey as Heavyweight Champion.
So, if was Langford failed to fight Jack O'Brien and and Jess Willard it's fair to say that these two wouldn't be up and around the cream of his opposition isn't it?

Greb is more problematic. Wouldn't Dempsey and Carpantier both be among the best fighters Greb would ever have faced?
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