Victor Ortiz’s Dilemma: Get outboxed or Force risky exchanges - Page 3

Relentless · 08-20-2011, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Doc

Watch the fight you fiend, and stop repeating what retards say on the boards to ruin Ortiz's performance who was robbed of a win , Peterson could not do nothing against Ortiz he had some good moments but in boxing who doesn't. It still doesn't change the fact that Ortiz landed the harder shots, was constantly making Peterson run, and Lamont was doing everything he could to make it out of the fight in one piece, he had heart I give him that....

Also Mosely is not a fast fighter that relied on speed, and that old ass was able to catch May, Ortiz is bigger and stronger and faster than Mosely, so there is no reason to not expect Ortiz to catch that ass and possibly take him out... add 34 years age, mentally drained with all the running and dealing with problems out of ring, 2 bs fight in JMM and mosely, old ass mosely almost KO'ing Mayweather, 16 month lay off, and things start evening out...

peterson was hitting him with the right hand all night which made quittor hesitate to come forward and started retreating.

Quincy K · 08-20-2011, 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by SweetHome_Bama

I watched the fight, I scored it a draw, but I can say I had no problem with a win for Peterson since he effectively took Vic out the game and clearly outboxed him.

Mosley always relied on his speed and power, that and his iron chin, he was never a technician.

Mosley caught Floyd with 1 punch and Floyd had his legs in about 2 seconds and continued to dominate Mosley in that very round. I would say I think Mosley has faster and harder hands than Ortiz as well.

Ortiz is a nice young fighter, but he doesn't have the ring IQ to make adjustments on the fly, he does the same thing over and over. I can't see him getting through Floyd's jav and avoiding his right enough to win a decision, and I don't think his chin is strong enough to simply try to go balls to the wall against Floyd and successfully muscle and beat him in a brawl without taking major damage.

the mosely you are referring to was a drug-tested, steroid-free mosely. and that one shot has absolutley no relevance when handicapping the ortiz fight. ortiz is not going to only land one shot. pbf is going to get hit. everywhere. do not try and draw some sort of conclusion with the perfomances of jmm and ssm with that of ortiz.

both of those fighters were defeated before they even entered the ring(mosely-age&drug-free/jmm-weight gain).

Goro · 08-20-2011, 09:07 PM

Ortiz couldn't outsmart or outbox Peterson, Mayweather is obviously a better boxer than Peterson, therefore that leaves Ortiz with one option.

Ortiz will have to make it a fight, but he doesn't have the skills or smarts to apply affective aggression like DLH or JLC, both of them are more skilled and smarter.

The only bet would be a KO for Ortiz but those odds are slim.

Peter Brit · 08-21-2011, 05:01 PM

Mayweasther has chosen him due to his style. If he fights like he normally does he will loose. That is left right, take one to land one. Fight first, box if nothing else works.

He needs to change things to win, the question is what.

Mayweather likes to turn side on giving him an extra five inch reach advantage. He will give you his arm, his shoulder to avoid punches. I can never remember somebody trying to dismantle his defences, everybody try to get passed them.

Ortiz needs to take a leaf out of Rocky's book and hit anything he is offered. In Mayweather case when he turns side on he has a tommy hearn reach, the only thing in normal range is his left shoulder.

Ortiz should punch his left shoulder and try to give Floyd a dead arm. that does three things, slows floyd's left down, keeps you out of range, gets to floyd, because he is the only one getting hit.

If Floyd reverts to a normal boxing stance he looses the tommy hearns reach, that little left hook becomes far harder to throw and he is in range. Floyd greatest skill is pivoting and turning side on. Yes he will still counter punch but he will have to use his feet more.

The second option for Floyd is to use his left shoulder as a lure. If he does this and you go for Floyd's shoulder and he drops it and trys to go under your right hand because it is targeting his shoulder it is six inches lower and you will hit him flush.

So I would like Ortiz to target Floyd's defences not try to get inside as everybody else has done for the past decade. The other thing Ortiz can do is double up on his punches. Not in the typical fashion of throwing to left jabs, but throwing a left jab and bringing it back three or four inches and then firing it again but turning your body so it becomes a hook. Ortiz normal left right combinations travel 30 to 35 inches between punches. That is 6 times as far to travel as a left jab, followed by a left hook.

Now it is very hard to generate a lot of power with an extend arm. The point of the second punch is it moves your head, so a counter puncher is likely to miss or not land clean. Second it will catch the counter puncher because it arrives in a sixth of the time of a typical left right. Third if you catch a guy on route to his target and help him on his way a small blow can force him to reset his feet, because he will over balance.

So the punch is designed to move your head out the way and knock the other guy off balance. Then you can go for the big right.

Have you seen anybody attempt this with Floyd?

SweetHome_Bama · 08-21-2011, 05:19 PM

Floyd uses his high guard when he fights lefties not the shoulder.

Bazt3k · 08-21-2011, 05:20 PM

Most of floyds oppponents have said going into the fight they dont plan on standing in the centre and attempting to outbox floyd... But most end up doing that, that shows how well floyd can dictate a fight. Hes gna toy with ortiz

Bazt3k · 08-21-2011, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Relentless

peterson was hitting him with the right hand all night which made quittor hesitate to come forward and started retreating.

Almost ko?? He got rocked by 2 shots and came back hard... You clearly need to rewatch the round..

buckdacious · 08-21-2011, 05:24 PM

Ortiz is gonna get KO because he wont back down and Mayweather will keep countering until its over

Gonzarelli · 08-21-2011, 05:29 PM

There's no "dilemma" here.

FLoyd's gonna outbox Ortiz regardless Victor's only chance is to put the pressure from round one and not let go of the gas.

Floyd is not stopping Vicious. bet on it!

Cableaddict · 08-21-2011, 05:30 PM

Ortiz - Mayweather is somewhat like a mini Haye - Klitschko.

-except Victor will probably actually try to win, and his feet are in much better shape.

Relentless · 08-21-2011, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Bazt3k

Almost ko?? He got rocked by 2 shots and came back hard... You clearly need to rewatch the round..

almost ko?

PrinceN · 08-21-2011, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by slugger3000

victor is going to tap that ass! Mayweather will become another one of victor's bitche's!

please give your breakdown of what happen in the fight on september 18th.

SweetHome_Bama · 08-21-2011, 05:46 PM

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6NXgQVYnB-A[/ame]

Check what Lamont does to vic after the 3 round 2 kds for Ortiz.

Now think what a bigger and even more skilled Floyd can do.

buckdacious · 08-21-2011, 05:57 PM

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Check what Lamont does to vic after the 3 round 2 kds for Ortiz.

Now think what a bigger and even more skilled Floyd can do.

Yes Floyd is more skilled but Ortiz will be the bigger man fight night. just wanted to point that out

Relentless · 08-21-2011, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by buckdacious

Yes Floyd is more skilled but Ortiz will be the bigger man fight night. just wanted to point that out

so?

carlos baldomir was huge compared to grape drank, it wont matter.

08-20-2011, 09:07 PM	#33
Goro Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 2,344 vCash: 2741	Re: Victor Ortiz’s Dilemma: Get outboxed or Force risky exchanges Ortiz couldn't outsmart or outbox Peterson, Mayweather is obviously a better boxer than Peterson, therefore that leaves Ortiz with one option. Ortiz will have to make it a fight, but he doesn't have the skills or smarts to apply affective aggression like DLH or JLC, both of them are more skilled and smarter. The only bet would be a KO for Ortiz but those odds are slim.
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08-21-2011, 05:01 PM	#34
Peter Brit Journeyman ESB Jr Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 235 vCash: 500	Re: Victor Ortiz’s Dilemma: Get outboxed or Force risky exchanges Mayweasther has chosen him due to his style. If he fights like he normally does he will loose. That is left right, take one to land one. Fight first, box if nothing else works. He needs to change things to win, the question is what. Mayweather likes to turn side on giving him an extra five inch reach advantage. He will give you his arm, his shoulder to avoid punches. I can never remember somebody trying to dismantle his defences, everybody try to get passed them. Ortiz needs to take a leaf out of Rocky's book and hit anything he is offered. In Mayweather case when he turns side on he has a tommy hearn reach, the only thing in normal range is his left shoulder. Ortiz should punch his left shoulder and try to give Floyd a dead arm. that does three things, slows floyd's left down, keeps you out of range, gets to floyd, because he is the only one getting hit. If Floyd reverts to a normal boxing stance he looses the tommy hearns reach, that little left hook becomes far harder to throw and he is in range. Floyd greatest skill is pivoting and turning side on. Yes he will still counter punch but he will have to use his feet more. The second option for Floyd is to use his left shoulder as a lure. If he does this and you go for Floyd's shoulder and he drops it and trys to go under your right hand because it is targeting his shoulder it is six inches lower and you will hit him flush. So I would like Ortiz to target Floyd's defences not try to get inside as everybody else has done for the past decade. The other thing Ortiz can do is double up on his punches. Not in the typical fashion of throwing to left jabs, but throwing a left jab and bringing it back three or four inches and then firing it again but turning your body so it becomes a hook. Ortiz normal left right combinations travel 30 to 35 inches between punches. That is 6 times as far to travel as a left jab, followed by a left hook. Now it is very hard to generate a lot of power with an extend arm. The point of the second punch is it moves your head, so a counter puncher is likely to miss or not land clean. Second it will catch the counter puncher because it arrives in a sixth of the time of a typical left right. Third if you catch a guy on route to his target and help him on his way a small blow can force him to reset his feet, because he will over balance. So the punch is designed to move your head out the way and knock the other guy off balance. Then you can go for the big right. Have you seen anybody attempt this with Floyd?
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08-21-2011, 05:19 PM	#35
SweetHome_Bama The Honorable Judge East Side VIP Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 42,160 vCash: 10918	Re: Victor Ortiz’s Dilemma: Get outboxed or Force risky exchanges Floyd uses his high guard when he fights lefties not the shoulder.
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08-21-2011, 05:20 PM	#36
Bazt3k cotto crabwalk enthusiast ESB Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Australia Posts: 1,131 vCash: 500	Re: Victor Ortiz’s Dilemma: Get outboxed or Force risky exchanges Most of floyds oppponents have said going into the fight they dont plan on standing in the centre and attempting to outbox floyd... But most end up doing that, that shows how well floyd can dictate a fight. Hes gna toy with ortiz
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08-21-2011, 05:24 PM	#38
buckdacious Sin~City punks!!! ESB Addict Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Las Vegas NV Posts: 4,321 vCash: 1000	Re: Victor Ortiz’s Dilemma: Get outboxed or Force risky exchanges Ortiz is gonna get KO because he wont back down and Mayweather will keep countering until its over
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08-21-2011, 05:29 PM	#39
Gonzarelli Champion East Side Guru Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 6,019 vCash: 1000	Re: Victor Ortiz’s Dilemma: Get outboxed or Force risky exchanges There's no "dilemma" here. FLoyd's gonna outbox Ortiz regardless Victor's only chance is to put the pressure from round one and not let go of the gas. Floyd is not stopping Vicious. bet on it!
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08-21-2011, 05:30 PM	#40
Cableaddict Champion East Side Guru Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 6,433 vCash: 18	Re: Victor Ortiz’s Dilemma: Get outboxed or Force risky exchanges Ortiz - Mayweather is somewhat like a mini Haye - Klitschko. -except Victor will probably actually try to win, and his feet are in much better shape.
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08-21-2011, 05:46 PM	#43
SweetHome_Bama The Honorable Judge East Side VIP Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 42,160 vCash: 10918	Re: Victor Ortiz’s Dilemma: Get outboxed or Force risky exchanges [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6NXgQVYnB-A[/ame] Check what Lamont does to vic after the 3 round 2 kds for Ortiz. Now think what a bigger and even more skilled Floyd can do.
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