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Old 12-09-2007, 10:59 PM   #106
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Yeah? Tell that to a prime, undefeated Fernando Vargas, got choked out and thrown around like a play toy, by an amateur MMA fighter.
the guy is pro, vargas was completely drunk, and the guy outweighed vargas by 100lbs Koa. unless your talking about a differant incident.
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Old 12-09-2007, 11:01 PM   #107
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the guy is pro, vargas was completely drunk, and the guy outweighed vargas by 100lbs Koa. unless your talking about a differant incident.
Oh, how convenient. He was drunk

Just like Frye was.

The comparisons are pretty lame. I'm just sticking up for MMA as a fan of both..

Think about it.. Boxers fight with their hands only. You are using two extremeties.. Kickboxing, you use hands and feet.. Thai boxing, you use hands, feet, elbows, knees.. MMA you use it all..

Logic should tell you.. The person who can use the most weapons, use his whole body as a weapon should be the better fighter.
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Old 12-09-2007, 11:13 PM   #108
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Oh, how convenient. He was drunk
call it what you want, he was. its no secret that vargas is a heavy drinker....

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Think about it.. Boxers fight with their hands only. You are using two extremeties.. Kickboxing, you use hands and feet.. Thai boxing, you use hands, feet, elbows, knees.. MMA you use it all..




Logic should tell you.. The person who can use the most weapons, use his whole body as a weapon should be the better fighter.
but in reality it doesnt work like that m'man...

the pure fact that mma DOES use it all, usually means they arent as good in any of the areas as are the specialists.

to me, mma is like the army.... boxing is the special forces. they are the specialists at what they do. thai boxers are the specialists at what they do, wrestlers are the specialists at what they do.

ufc is where the people try to throw it all together and make it work... and they do... GSP is badass and i like him a lot, fedors amazing, i loved vitor belfort back in the 90s....

also, i like in boxing where two champions stand toe to toe in some cases, inside fighting like the world has never seen..... bringing to the forefront the very qualities that inspire me such as heart, will, spirit, chin, power, quick subtle adjustments.... its beautiful brutality and showing what a true warrior is... ala MAB vs Morales, Vasquez vs Marquez...

And as good as say... Frank vs Tito. Hughes vs Newton, ect, ect is technically, and Griffin vs Bonar i think was his name was action wise.... to me it just doesnt amount to a great boxing match, and like i said... better fighters? through my experiances it just doesnt work like that.... i was in mma way before boxing, since middle school.... and through my experiances with the mma gyms ive gone to and the boxing gyms ive gone too... mma guys are not better fighters just because their skill range varies broader then a boxers.
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Old 12-09-2007, 11:14 PM   #109
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and when it comes down to it.... all these are pure opinions. nobody is ever going to change the other persons minds on these issues... i wish we could just ignore them.
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Old 12-09-2007, 11:19 PM   #110
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So do I kirk, it just pisses some of us off, when some insecure boxing fan with an inferiority complex makes a lame thread attacking MMA for some random reason. This seems to happen every month on these boards.

Why people can't like both, I don't know.
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Old 12-09-2007, 11:19 PM   #111
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Real fighting is real fighting, boxing is boxing.

How you can not like REAL fighting is beyond me, I love boxing, but its one piece of a puzzle.

No swimmer is winning a triathialon.
MMA was cool when it was what it started out as. If that's your thing I mean, but to me it's unsophisticated fighting not a sport. Boxing is a refined sport evolved over the ages, and it is down to a science now.
maybe MMA will continute to evolve, and one day be worth watching.
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Old 12-09-2007, 11:35 PM   #112
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I always laugh that so many guys on this board get pissed when people start talking about MMA in the boxing forum section, yet they often end up starting these hate threads where...you guessed it...everyone starts talking about MMA.

How about just ignoring it if you don't like. I hate basketball, but I don't feel compelled to talk shit about it. I don't care enough about it to go around and tell people it sucks. And if someone likes basketball, then more power to em. I don't get it, but so what.

And if UFC is competing for boxing dollars, I say good. It'll keep pushing the boxing world to make great matchups like we've seen recently. Nothing wrong with a little healthy competition.
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Old 12-09-2007, 11:46 PM   #113
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Whoever said Mayweather would beat Sherk in an MMA fight is a dumbass.

First of all, there's the fact that Sherk walks around at 170ish lbs.

Second of all, Mayweather's ***** little "elbow in the face" from the Hatton fight won't do anything but set him up for a shoot that paralyzes him from the waist down.

Sherk has taken flush knees to the jaw and soldiered right on through them. There's no way Mayweather hurts him before he gets crippled.

NOBODY can backpedal from a guy trying to bullrush them. Nobody. Not even Mayrunner.
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Old 12-09-2007, 11:51 PM   #114
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the absolute most fitting part of the whole thing was when they showed Hughes sitting ringside after the last fight and he was watching a monitor...you could clearly see what he was watching....that's right, he was watching the Mayweather/Hatton fight! lmao I couldn't even make that up. Was hilarious.

HBO boxing destroyed the UFC this year, and by all accounts 2008 will be even bigger. But dont' fret UFC fans, you always had 2006.
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Old 12-09-2007, 11:56 PM   #115
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Thes discussions annoy me. They always pop up when I am with friends and watching boxing too (like last night when I ordered the undefeated fight). The only thing that I can say is that 90% of ufc fans are complete morons. I'm really sorry but its true. I had one guy trying to tell me that a ufc fighter would get beat by a boxer in the boxing ring, but that the ufc fighter would win if it was bareknuckle boxing.....yeh followed by
Then he justified it by saying that ufc fighters hit harder than boxers. Once again
This is just one example that happened yesterday......I could give 50 more with some being much worse. Its almost like ufc fans are the retards of the fan world. I have nothing against the sport, I love contact sports, but seriously ufc fans really need to brighten up a bit
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Old 12-10-2007, 12:05 AM   #116
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also, if you even bring up boxing around a UFC fan, they feel the need to tell you how a boxer would do in the UFC, like that is somehow relevant. It gets annoying. If boxers really cared about how well they'd do in the UFC, they'd train for that and do it. Pretty simple concept really. I'm sure Mayweather doesn't lose sleep at night, knowing he made $50 million this year while Sean Sherk made about $50 000 and is now sitting on the shelf because he's a cheater to boot. Ask yourself, which guy in that equation wishes he was the other? One guy is a no-name. The other is now one of the most famous athletes in the world.
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Old 12-10-2007, 12:08 AM   #117
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also, if you even bring up boxing around a UFC fan, they feel the need to tell you how a boxer would do in the UFC, like that is somehow relevant.
Which is just as annoying as some boxing fans who feel compelled to tell UFC fans that their fighters wouldn't stand a chance against a boxer in a boxing match.
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Old 12-10-2007, 12:09 AM   #118
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also, if you even bring up boxing around a UFC fan, they feel the need to tell you how a boxer would do in the UFC, like that is somehow relevant. It gets annoying. If boxers really cared about how well they'd do in the UFC, they'd train for that and do it. Pretty simple concept really. I'm sure Mayweather doesn't lose sleep at night, knowing he made $50 million this year while Sean Sherk made about $50 000 and is now sitting on the shelf because he's a cheater to boot. Ask yourself, which guy in that equation wishes he was the other? One guy is a no-name. The other is now one of the most famous athletes in the world.
Agreed. UFC has a long way to go.
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Old 12-10-2007, 12:10 AM   #119
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I watched both last night.

The free UFC card was much more entertaining.

If you have an open mind.. check out the UFC main event from last night
Roger Huerta vs Clay Guida
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It was really good.

If youre a fan of boxing you should be happy the UFC came along. It gave the sport a good kick in the ass.

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Old 12-10-2007, 12:31 AM   #120
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So do I kirk, it just pisses some of us off, when some insecure boxing fan with an inferiority complex makes a lame thread attacking MMA for some random reason.
No inferiority complex here. Just proud of boxing's status as of now, and it seems a few of you cant deal with it.

When MMA was dominating boxing, I said as much and none of you MMA fans seemed to mind much.

Now boxing has made a comeback and its an issue for you if I say so.
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