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vBookie Event: Escobedo vs. Juarez (Boxing)
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Escobedo vs. Juarez (Boxing)

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Outcome Odds Total Bets Total Staked
Vicente Escobedo 1/5 F (0.20) 20 12060 WIN!
Rocky Juarez 9/2 (4.50) 18 4013  
Draw 30/1 (30.00) 9 421  
Over 9.5 rounds 3/7 (0.43) 26 24125 WIN!
Under 9.5 rounds 5/2 (2.50) 9 813  

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Old 09-20-2011, 05:21 PM   #1
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Old 09-20-2011, 06:25 PM   #2
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C'mon Rocky let your Goddamn hands go! Screw it 100 Rocky Juarez.... Come on Juarez, Show us a good fight!
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Old 09-20-2011, 10:44 PM   #3
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I've never seen that much money laid down that quick on such a shitty return on an Over.
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Old 09-20-2011, 11:20 PM   #4
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I've never seen that much money laid down that quick on such a shitty return on an Over.
Fan of Juarez! Gotta show my hope for him.
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Old 09-20-2011, 11:27 PM   #5
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Fan of Juarez! Gotta show my hope for him.
Well, bets on Juarez have damn good value at 9/2.

The over makes sense for people to gravitate toward, since neither guy has ever been stopped in a combined 63 bouts or even been at all close to being stopped even when they've been knocked down - but at 3/7 it's surprising people would bother with it even as a "sure thing", especially where boxing is the arena of the unpredictable.
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Old 09-21-2011, 12:02 AM   #6
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Well, bets on Juarez have damn good value at 9/2.

The over makes sense for people to gravitate toward, since neither guy has ever been stopped in a combined 63 bouts or even been at all close to being stopped even when they've been knocked down - but at 3/7 it's surprising people would bother with it even as a "sure thing", especially where boxing is the arena of the unpredictable.
Yes. Juarez has fought way better guys then Escobedo such as Chris John, Marco Antonio Barrera, Humberto Soto, Juan Manuel Marquez, Jorge Linares ect and didn't get stopped. Nor did Escobedo against Guerrero or Kats. So the over is safe as you said. It is just one of those " Why not " type of things.
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Old 09-21-2011, 06:54 AM   #7
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Don't know enough about these 2 to bet, anyone want to school me??
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Old 09-21-2011, 11:09 AM   #8
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Don't know enough about these 2 to bet, anyone want to school me??
Tough fight to call knowing how Rocky has been lately and how I don't know Escobedo too well.
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Don't know enough about these 2 to bet, anyone want to school me??

Juarez: no doubt talented enough to have been a very good champion, can box and punch. One of the most frustrating talents of the last decade. The chief complaint is that he always languishes in second gear. Even in big important moments - actually, especially in big important moments, he seems to lay off the throttle and just coast in molasses mode (think Foreman a few rounds deep in Zaire). It isn't that his hands or feet are all that slow; he's just so damn indecisive and unwilling to show any urgency or hunger. It has cost him in his close first bouts with two Hall of Famers (one an ATG - Barrera and John, both of whom beat him more comfortably in rematches by adapting to his one-note style). Either one of those names would have substantially improved his resume - and he came desperately close but just couldn't dig down and nut up to get the job done when it mattered. That was at his BEST - which he is significantly past. Now he's finding ways to give wins away to so-so fighters rather than Hall of Famers.

Escobedo: a warrior through and through. A fighter's fighter. He will keep coming forward while you throw the kitchen sink at him and not bat an eyelash as it splits over his hard noggin and sends detritus avalanching into a pile at his heels, ceramic toothbrush holder and all. It isn't that he's defensively unskilled whatsoever, it's more that he doesn't care about getting punched in the face. All he cares about is getting close enough to return the favor. In his losses one wonders how he manages to survive until the final bell. Sheer toughness, mental and physical. Likewise when he wins, it can be attributed to the victim not having the physical or mental toughness to withstand his constant ballista siege. "Chente" is less talented than Rocky (who Larry Merchant once quipped ought to watch his namesake's films for inspiration) but is more born to fight, to borrow the old Wladimir & Vitali dynamic cliche.

Both have above average power and excellent chins (although Juarez has been getting dropped lately, at lower weights). Expect both to land some big shots. Expect both to stand up to them. Expect Escobedo's work to look a bit less tidy but expect him to "want it more".
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Tempted to go with the over but I don't wanna throw all my vCash away again.

Rocky might be a bit more past his best than I thought, and I'm worried he'll let Escobedo overawe him with his punch output and activity.
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Both have above average power and excellent chins (although Juarez has been getting dropped lately, at lower weights). Expect both to land some big shots. Expect both to stand up to them. Expect Escobedo's work to look a bit less tidy but expect him to "want it more".
Actually, nevermind that. I thought his last two had been at super feather (Linares was actually at lightweight) and forgot that Escobedo is coming down to 130 rather than luring Juarez up to 135 as I'd originally assumed when this was announced.

So the knockdowns being from weight drain taking a toll on a no longer youthful body can be ruled out and perhaps seen instead as signs of cracking.

So maybe expect Juarez to hit the deck, but expect him to get up.
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Old 09-21-2011, 01:58 PM   #12
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Are we gonna get Arce-Nongqayi Vbet? Even though Arce is a better fighter with a better career, he did upset Arce so it is another possible upset.

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Old 09-21-2011, 04:34 PM   #13
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Going with over 9.5rounds, don't expect a knockout in this one despite Juarez being dropped lately.
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What did I bet on? My phone went crazy..
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Old 09-22-2011, 09:36 PM   #15
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I might be crazy but I have this suspicion Juarez is not going to make the distance this time.
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