###Joseph Agbeko-Abner Mares II / Vic Darchinyan-Anselmo Moreno Build-Up Thread###

[jpab19]

December 3rd has become even better. We already have one rematch made to settle the extremely controversial score in Miguel Cotto-Antonio Margarito, and now we have another, in a return between Joseph Agbeko-Abner Mares, mandated by the IBF. Added to that, we have Jpab dream-catcher Vic Darchinyan taking on the much -maligned(by me) Anselmo Moreno.


Joseph Agbeko


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Abner Mares


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The first fight was very much controversy-filled thanks to one Russell Mora, who in one of the worst displays of refereeing in recent memory, awarded Mares with two bogus knockdown calls, one a slip in the first, the other a blatant low-blow in the eleventh and ignored countless other shots way south of the waistline border. In between Mares' rushes of aggression and low blows Agbeko displayed the greater skills and outboxed his younger foe for the most part, not enough to overcome the officiating though, as Abner emerged with a MD win.

It was an unfortunate turn of events for the Ghanain, who, after the sport regularly screwing him over, made his own luck by scoring defining victories against the likes of Darchinyan and in particular Yonnhy Perez, wherein he displayed his full, diverse range of skills against a buzzsaw of a man who had already defeated him. All for nothing in the end as he was robbed of his chance to be rightful champion of Showtime's bantamweight tourney. He'll be hoping to rectify what had been put wrong, and once again outbox Mares with his skills that have established him as one of the most versatile in the sport, hopefully without events conspiring against him on this occasion.

Mares will be hoping to continue on with his, up to this stage, fruitful run that includes a draw against Perez and 'wins' against Darchinyan and Agbeko. An abundance of will, and guts, he is somewhat limited, which is what hampered him in his initial bout with King Kong. Some adaptability is needed for him this time around, as he can't hope to have the benefit of inept officials on his side once again.



Vic Darchinyan


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Anselmo Moreno


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One of the better matches that can be made in the strongest division in the game, this all-southpaw battle has a large degree of intrigue with it, bringing a vastly different mesh of styles, age, and opposition. Darchinyan's savvy and massive power facing off with Moreno's youth and quickness makes picking a winner and sticking to it a difficult task.

People - harshly - questioned how much Darchinyan had left to offer and after his narrow and debateable split decision defeat to Mares, which followed dominant performances from the Aussie-Armenian against the likes of Tomas Rojas and Rodrigo Guerrero. Vic soon squashed that myth, looking almost like the man who had splattered Cristian Mijares() three years earlier against Perez in April, severely damaging the shopworn-looking Columbian in almost every round with his trademark venomous left hands over the top before a clash of heads ended matters early, allowing Darchinyan to pick up a dominant technical decision win after 5. A keep busy bout against Evans Mbamba in Armenia(his first in his homeland) under his belt, he's ready to de-rail some more hyped express'.

If you've ever heard someone say this:

Originally Posted by Ill-Informed Twonk

Anselmo Moreno is one of the most underrated and under-appreciated fighters in the sport man.

Ram screwdrivers through their eyes if you ever encounter them. Anselmo is labelled as underrated - he's not. A basic and limited boxer, the only reason he has a more than decent chance against Vic is that he doesn't favour Darchinyan stylistically. Tall and lanky, he likes to utilise his one-two before staying out of range. I won't delve deeper, there's really not that much to him.

Anyways, discuss, argue with me, chastise me, ridicule me and what not due to my refusal to conform to what boxing expects me to do and like Moreno: Let's get it on!

(Here's Mrs.Donaire to entice you into a discussion


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[SportsLeader]

I told you ages ago, I've seen very established posters refer to Moreno as underrated, and it really pisses me off.

That said, if he does somehow beat Darchinyan, then I will certainly give Moreno his props. I had Vic beating Mares, so if Moreno were to beat him clearly, it would definetely establish the Panamanian as a fighter at the top of the bantamweight division. Not that I expect anything outside of a one-sided beat down in favour of the Crabman....

[LP_1985]

2 bogus or just 1 and 1 debatable

no bias here is there

[jpab19]

Originally Posted by LP_1985

2 bogus or just 1 and 1 debatable

no bias here is there

A punch didn't put him down.

So yeah, bogus.

[JFT96]

Excellent thread Jpab. The more focus on bantamweight the better in my opinion. Delighted to see the Mares-Agbeko rematch and Vic-Moreno is a quality fight also that should give us the natural challenger to either the Mares-Agbeko winner or Donaire in the future.

I'm not going to vote definitively just yet but my early feelings are Mares pts and a Vic win either Ko or pts. But they could change- in particular Darchinyan-Moreno, I think if Anselmo gets the fight into the rhythm he wants early, he could make it very difficult for Vic

[WalletInspector]

Originally Posted by jpab19

Anselmo is labelled as underrated - he's not. A basic and limited boxer, the only reason he has a more than decent chance against Vic is that he doesn't favour Darchinyan stylistically. Tall and lanky, he likes to utilise his one-two before staying out of range. I won't delve deeper, there's really not that much to him.

It's posts like this that make Moreno the most underrated fighter on ESB.

[jpab19]

Originally Posted by JFT96

Excellent thread Jpab. The more focus on bantamweight the better in my opinion. Delighted to see the Mares-Agbeko rematch and Vic-Moreno is a quality fight also that should give us the natural challenger to either the Mares-Agbeko winner or Donaire in the future.

I'm not going to vote definitively just yet but my early feelings are Mares pts and a Vic win either Ko or pts. But they could change- in particular Darchinyan-Moreno, I think if Anselmo gets the fight into the rhythm he wants early, he could make it very difficult for Vic

Yeah mate, hopefully we can make this as good as the last build up thread, and with another quality addition to it we won't be talking about the same topics all over again, plenty to discuss over the coming months in relation to Vic-Moreno.

Originally Posted by WalletInspector

It's posts like this that make Moreno the most underrated fighter on ESB.

If you wanna highlight posts of mine where I'm really critical, you need to look harder than that.

For instance:

Labelled by some as 'the best fighter you don't know' to such an extent that people that had never even seen him fight called him one of, if not the most, underrated in the sport, Anselmo 'Chemito(or something like that, don't like him enough to research it[and I'm not going to apologise for it either, Anselmo]) Moreno has managed to garner himself a decent reputation in the sport with his WBA Bantamweight title and 31-1-1(with his lone defeat coming in his 8th fight) to the point where he is being talked about as a top 3 fighter in the division, and possible Nonito Donaire opponent.

As for the initial claims, don't buy them in the slightest, he's good and all, but he's not at the level of the guys at the top of the division. I think he's flattered by his wins over what I consider to be past-prime fighters in Sydorenko, (Volodymyr wasn't as good then as he was say, in his fights against Poonsawat and Mastrito) Monshipour, Parra, you see where I'm going, his resume isn't all that good when you look into it a little bit.

He's hailed as a kind of supreme talent with great slickness, for me he's about as basic as they come for the most part. He'll throw a straight left, which normally lands, and he'll then duck to the left, usually avoiding his opponent's shot in retaliation. However, what he does not do is make an attempt to avoid the shots that follow the failed attempt, there's not much point in dodging the first shot when you get caught by the second, third, etc, particularly when you don't have the ability to slip and counter with any kind of fluidity, as he doesn't throw a shot after evading one to discourage the opponent from proceeding in their combination. He'll drop to the left and linger there, and seems to assume that that's all that is neccessary for him to do, which, as evidence has shown in his fights where he's consistently caught with right hands, isn't the case.

His lack of punch variety is also staggering, seeing as he only seems to possess two of them, his southpaw jab and straight left hand. Considering that he regularly has height and reach advantages over his opponent, learning to throw an uppercut would greatly benefit him, seeing as his adversary usually plays the role of agressor, and as a result will attempt to get under his long arms. Alas, he doesn't do this, and instead what he does do is throw a series of powerless jabs in succession, and you know the straight will follow. It's just a matter of how many times he'll paw at you before he unleashes the left. Even the implementation of putting more power behind his jab would suffice, he doesn't slow his opponents down enough IMO and has to constantly try to keep them off him throughout the fight, rarely getting any respite in the process.

What also contributes to him being worn down down the stretch is his poor footwork, which is consistently far too wide when he's circling(i.e. always) and mixed with poor balance. He tires himself out by doing this, and never sets himself to punch with any authority, leading to him having to work non-stop throughout the fight. He's sort of like a worse version of Amir Khan I suppose.

[StiffJab]

Cant wait to see Vic in action again, most entertaining fighter P4P with out a doubt!!

[IntentionalButt]

Ugh, Darchinyan-Anselmo doesn't strike me as a fun styles match-up at all.

I'll sit through anything for Agbeko-Mares II, though!

[jpab19]

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Originally Posted by Vinny Scolpino(JAgbeko's Manager)

I think Joseph goes back in there and beats Mares. He knows what he did wrong the first time and I think he'll take the title home. This is a great opportunity. I'm glad Showtime stepped up to the plate and made it happen. They needed to get some extra money for their budget, but they did the right thing. I'm happy that Joseph gets another opportunity to get his belt back. That's the bottom line, whatever happened in the first fight.

Originally Posted by Richard Schaefer

I really think when it comes to this weight class that this is Abner Mares' time. When you watch him and how he has developed the last year or so, he has really developed into a top bantamweight. The first time he beat Agbeko it wasn't a fluke. He will confirm that and remain world champion in an impressive manner. That is what I expect from him. This is his time.

Dec. 3 was the only date we had to work with so it is what it is, but this is a much-talked about rematch, especially in Los Angeles, and it will be a much covered event. The fact is that the first fight did well on Showtime and we think it will do well again. It is an event that stands on its own. In today's day and age, with the economy the way it is, I think that it is going to be a welcome gift from Showtime to boxing fans that they can see it without having to pull out their wallet.

Moreno and Darchinyan, that's another interesting fight. You have two really exciting bantamweight fights on the same night, so I think it will do extremely well.

[Flea Man]

Vic by stoppage (never been that impressed by Moreno) regardless of styles; just the better fighter IMO.

Agbeko to start a little bit faster and stop a tired Mares in the late rounds. Hopefully

[Scotty321]

danrafaelespn Dan Rafael

Wow. @BobArum just WENT OFF on @GoldenBoyBoxing for scheduling Mares-Agbeko opposite the Cotto-Margarito PPV. 'There will be retaliation.'

The truce went well....

[JukeboxTimebomb]

Originally Posted by Scotty321

danrafaelespn Dan Rafael

Wow. @BobArum just WENT OFF on @GoldenBoyBoxing for scheduling Mares-Agbeko opposite the Cotto-Margarito PPV. 'There will be retaliation.'

The truce went well....

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[Tommy O C]

I dont like Moreno, hes not the slick stylist many claim, he uses his legs to run away from trouble more often than not when Ive seen him. I didnt see the first Cermeno fight but saw the rematch and while he deserted the win in a close fight he didnt cover himself in glory. That being said I think he will beat Vic. Moreno wont be trying to stay inside slipping punches, he be in quick, land 2/3 punches from long range and will then hightail it around the 4 corners of the ring, repeating it ad nauseum on his way to a points win imo. Vics bound to get to him but I just dont think he will be able to impose himself enough. Hope im wrong though

[jpab19]

Great news, not only is Darchinyan-Moreno a very good fight, it's a fight that has infuriated the man who is the biggest skidmark on this sport, Eric Morel.

Apparently the gang-raper thought he was going to be fighting Moreno in November only to hear of the annoucement of the Darchinyan fight while he was waiting to be contacted. What I love about this is, his father claims that you can now add Anselmo to Fernando Montiel, Jorge Arce and Nonito Donaire as fighters that have ''ducked'' Morel. Yes, I'm sure his robbery of Gerry Penalosa left them quivering, which is why they fought better fighters than your prick of a son.

The only reason I would've enjoyed to see one of those fights is because of the potential retirement-causing beating Cyril's son would've suffered as a consequence.